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I know I made a positive pony image with Rainbow Dash, but she fits with the message more, so yeah.
To those who dont know how the phrase is sexist, its always used to tell someone they need to be stronger, which implies that only men can be strong.
To those who dont know how the phrase is sexist, its always used to tell someone they need to be stronger, which implies that only men can be strong.
It will if you say it to someone who’s not a horse. :D
But that won’t trigger any SJWs!
Did you mean to mention @Background Pony #229E or myself?
@Background Pony #229E
Hey, you’re damn civil! Really impressed you took all that bullshit from the anon who loves pretending that fake feminists aren’t a thing or that misandry isn’t a thing.
Living in reality is just hard for some people. Keep being cool though, the rest of us know you’re a good person.
The thing is though is that I am not exaggerating! There all those that call themselves feminists that do these things. Yes, thankfully, they are the minority but pretending they don’t exist wont help anyone. I don’t hate them, they merely frustrate me and anger me for how they show such unhelpful behavior in trying to bring equality.
I have never twisted your words. You directly called these hypothetical people “the worst” while accusing them of doing the same in your severely exaggerated description of their beliefs. You directly called these people “fake feminists” in contrast to “real” feminists, while repeatedly emphasizing that they only “claim” to believe in it. You may not have used the word “evil” but you did post a severely exaggerated account of the deeds which make them “the worst” in your eyes, which in your words include “to tear men down and have them seen as the worse monsters ever”, or that they “claim to be feminist yet spew hate and generalized filth”.
Taking your words at face value, it’s very easy to get the impression that you hate these people and think they’re only pretending to care about the cause (as opposed to simply being humanly imperfect). This isn’t twisting your words, it’s taking them at face value. What else can one conclude when you talk about how “they’re always spewing hate and treating men like the worse monsters ever” or repeatedly emphasize that “they claim to be feminists, but”?
If you really want to stop the hate, then you should stop exaggerating the horrible deeds of the people you oppose (or focusing on the worst examples you can think of), and you should stop claiming that it proves they’re “fake” and completely separate from the “real” ones who actually believe it. Nobody is going to appreciate it if you call them fake and dishonest instead of actually addressing their point, because they usually aren’t.
Gah, stop twisting my words. I haven’t been saying any of the things you keep trying to say I’m saying and your really starting to get me mad. You’re putting words into my mouth and I do not appreciate it
I do feel there are some ill speaking and ill mattered people, it doesn’t matter what group they from but I do not think nor did I ever suggest they were evil, nor monsters so stop trying to say I am. I merely said there are those who call themselves feminists who treat men as monsters. You turning what I was trying to sad around.
Look, please stop what you’re doing and lets drop this. Your words are exaggerated, antagonizing, and really is not helping me what to continue talking to you. Especially when you twist my words or try having it that I am saying something I am not.
No… just no. Sighs, you are doing nothing more then get me mad and I don’t want that since I am trying to remain civil. Unless you are willing to stop what you’re doing I have no interest in continuing this. Good day!
Rephrasing it wouldn’t fix the issues. It’s not about semantics. It was never about semantics. It’s about drawing a line between “good feminists” and “fake feminists”, and making the latter out to be horrible evil monsters who do all the evil things to men and lie about their motives because they’re evil. Yes, I know you didn’t use the word “evil”, that doesn’t make it any better to treat them like that. It’s not enough to just talk about how you want to support peace and harmony and stop the hate; if you want to stop it, you need to stop it, not just use carefully-chosen words to express it lovingly. Even if you don’t think of your comments towards “the worst” as hateful, that’s definitely how they appear.
Sighs, look. I’m not going to argue this anymore, perhaps I could have rephrased parts of what I posted before but this whole debate is completely off track from what was originally being talked about. As such, to avoid farther issues, I’m bowing out of discussing this with you… whoever you are.
At least I was willing to discuss this without posting anonymously.
You didn’t use the word, but you definitely used the concept. If your response to “sexist” behavior is to assume that the person saying it is a liar who is only faking their support of The Cause and must be a mindless man-hater who thinks they’re all the devil, rather than giving them any benefit of the doubt or even trying to understand their viewpoint, then your argument promotes hate even if you claim to oppose it.
I know that you don’t intend to be hateful. I know that you don’t support fighting hate with hate. I know you avoid using the word “evil”. You’ve said that repeatedly. But your other statements don’t match up with them. If your goal is peace, then declaring your enemies “fake feminists” and using hateful exaggerations like “only wanting to tear men down” and “have them seen as the worse monster ever” will not help.
It’s easy to say that you’re against hatred and bullying and don’t want to treat anyone like they’re evil. It’s another thing entirely to practice your ideals.
I am not the one constantly using the word evil over and over again.
I never once used the word Evil until another started using it. Yes, I used the word Fake, I would do the same when talking about anyone who say they are something but aren’t backing up such by their words and actions.
For me Feminism is about equality, of casting aside gender roles and allowing everyone no matter genders the same rights, the same opportunities and voice, of fighting against the violence, abuse, and hate so many show based on gender.
It is because of this that I do believe some calling themselves feminists are actually toxic to the cause, pushing away those who many otherwise would be willing to listen and help make changes. I don’t thing any feminist is evil, and I kindly ask that you stop using the word as well.
That may be what you’re trying to do, but what you did was bring up the stereotype of the Evil Fake Feminist who is only pretending to care about “the cause” because they mindlessly hate all men and can therefore be safely hated and ignored because they aren’t “real” feminists. That may not have been what you were thinking of when you made your claims, but you were still perpetiuating the Evil Fake Feminist meme that’s frequently used to attack anybody with any “wrong” beliefs, even if they’re actually valid.
Yes, some people are angry about the issues. That doesn’t mean that constantly reminding people to hate them will actually solve things, nor that it’s a valid response to potentially misguided political opinions, nor that they’re actually as evil as you portray them with words like “fake feminists” or “wanting to tear men down and treat them like the worse [sic] monsters ever”.
You might see this as a ridiculous response to you rightfully calling out a horrible force of evil, but one of the key points here is that hatred doesn’t just target people who are genuinely as bad as you think. If someone feels vindicated by their comments, they aren’t going to take them as a sign that they should limit their hate to people who “really deserve it”; they already assume the worst of their targets, and will only take it as a reminder of how their targets are evil liars unworthy of debate.
My last post was in answer of yours, I apologize for missing the reply button.
This must be acknowledged and accepted before people can move past such, working together to bring gender equality. In standing against the idea of preconceived gender roles, discrimination, and unequal treatment. Of speaking up against abuse, violence, and harm no matter gender. Sexism is real, and affects everyone, male and female or however one identifies.
What’s really hurting the cause is people using exaggerated feminist monster stereotypes in their anger. It doesn’t help at all that they say they’re “only” talking about the evil ones who allegedly fit the stereotype perfectly, as opposed to the “true” feminists who are good and smart enough to support a specific set of political opinions; drawing a line between Good Ones and Evil Ones has little effect beyond giving people an excuse to see any social justice opinion they oppose as one of the Evil Ones and to assume the worst of its supporters. It goes something like:
“What’s that? She supports X? That’s a bad opinion! She must be an evil fake feminist monster who treats the entire male gender like the devil! I mean, I don’t support hate, but she obviously has that opinion just because she’s pure evil and doesn’t actually care about feminism at all, so it’s safe for me to think ill of them and not listen!”
Other possibilities, such as the “evil feminist” being understandably upset about a genuine problem, simply not thinking of the flaws in her argument, or having a rational point that didn’t occur to her attacker, go unseen under the label of Evil. And because they’re seen as the worst monsters ever by people who oppose hate, they inevitably become disillusioned from constant mistreatment, and their anger is seen as further proof of their evil even when it’s nowhere near as bad as the accusations presume, which is treated as further reason to hate, ridicule and ignore anything they say.
That is why focusing on the idea of an evil monster doesn’t help matters. In spite of all pretenses, all it does is make dialogue harder and more hostile. It certainly doesn’t solve the problem it’s meant to address.
I don’t believe they should be hated, as I am against meeting hate with hate, though they do frustrate me because I understand their actions are hurting the cause of feminism… why? Because by their actions, words, and behavior they are turning people away from wanting anything to do with feminism.
I respect most feminists, and consider myself among their number, but can’t respect those who claim to be feminist yet spew hate and generalized filth. I make a distinction, and stick with it, because I understand the difference between those who claim to be for feminism and those that actually are.