@glockenspiel
What you’re saying just.. doesn’t work. If I say in my own terms that I am defending something, you can’t say I’m not. That’s just not the way it goes!
Or to put it another way, I am tired of this conversation (we’ve practically doubled the number of comments on this image by this point,) so please do shut up.
Here’s an example. If I say I have a girlfriend, you wouldn’t readily believe me. I’m not defending the claim. I am making a case. If I can’t back it up, I shouldn’t expect you to believe she even exists. You don’t get to decide if your client is the prosecution or the defendant. All events need a basis or they can’t be treated as ever having happened. As a fictional character, she is an event, as is every other character in the series. The others were backed up due to appearing in the core part of the series, so they are canon. This is why it’s called not guilty instead of innocent. By your logic, it is certainly and irreversibly canon unless reversed by Hasbro, except irreversible means just that, and any attempt would simply result in Death of the Author, where not even Hasbro would be capable of declaring anything non-canon, including fanfiction.
@glockenspiel
What you’re saying just.. doesn’t work. If I say in my own terms that I am defending something, you can’t say I’m not. That’s just not the way it goes!
Or to put it another way, I am tired of this conversation (we’ve practically doubled the number of comments on this image by this point,) so please do shut up.
@glockenspiel
No, the defense, the defense that I WAS MAKING, was that IT WAS CANON unless it were proven otherwise! Like, stop telling me that I’m saying something other than what I’m saying! Have you not been paying attention?! Look at the previous comments! I was clearly defending Nightmarity and the comics in general by comparing them to the “innocent until proven guilty” principle. And we clearly have the same point of view on the canonicity here!! So stop saying that I’ve got it all backwards on this thing which not only have I clearly NOT, in the terms that I HAVE SET FORTH, backwards, but is ultimately the same argument as yours!!
No. You are not the defense. You would be prosecution. The comic itself is the charge. I didn’t say you weren’t supporting Nightmare-Rarity. I was stating that you are misquoting every court case ever.
@glockenspiel
No, the defense, the defense that I WAS MAKING, was that IT WAS CANON unless it were proven otherwise! Like, stop telling me that I’m saying something other than what I’m saying! Have you not been paying attention?! Look at the previous comments! I was clearly defending Nightmarity and the comics in general by comparing them to the “innocent until proven guilty” principle. And we clearly have the same point of view on the canonicity here!! So stop saying that I’ve got it all backwards on this thing which not only have I clearly NOT, in the terms that I HAVE SET FORTH, backwards, but is ultimately the same argument as yours!!
@glockenspiel
The accusation was that it WASN’T canon! How is saying that something that is presumed to be mostly canon until contradicted, is canon, an accusation?!
That isn’t the accusation. That’s the defense, since it wouldn’t have even been stated if nobody first claimed that it was canon. If a person claims something happened, and someone else claims it didn’t, the former is making the accusation. The charge is the thing that is labeled canon or non-canon (it actually happened or did not actually happen). Nobody is going to flat out say it’s non-canon unless another fan first says it is, just like Santa has no defense in the majority of murder cases, since nobody has pressed charges on him in the first place, so nobody is going to defend him unless some group makes the accusation in the first place. If I say I didn’t kill someone, that’s not an accusation that someone is lying. It’s a defense against their accusation that I did.
@glockenspiel
The accusation was that it WASN’T canon! How is saying that something that is presumed to be mostly canon until contradicted, is canon, an accusation?!
@glockenspiel
What in the blue blazes are you on about?!
You’re thinking of “guilty until proven innocent”, you goose! How could you get it so completely backwards?
guilty means the accusation is true. innocent means it is not true. Therefore, unless it is proven canon, it isn’t. The ending part was referring to YOUR logic.
@Background Pony #6E93
Because guilty means the accusation is correct. If it is innocent until proven guilty, then unless it is absolutely, objectively proven certain that Nightmare Rarity actually happened, she didn’t. I personally have no stance on whether or not she is, but “innocent until proven guilty” refers to the fact that, unless the accuser has absolute proof that their story is canon, it isn’t. Your version would mean that, unless the accused can prove that they were set up, even if they could be innocent by another means, they are guilty.
@Background Pony #D71F
My, aren’t you a charming person. Nightmare Rarity is not worthless, and certainly not fanservice, at least for the most part. I mean, what’s fanservicey about her? Rarity as Nightmare Moon… ahhhh… must have… ahhhh… so amazing…
Furthermore, the question of canonicity in the comics works on the same principle as “innocent until proven guilty,” that is, it’s not directly 100% canon, but unless the show contradicts it then it qualifies.
Tell me, do you have something against the comics? Or are you just being a butt?
I hate to necropost, but that’s the exact opposite of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty”.
@Background Pony #D71F
My, aren’t you a charming person. Nightmare Rarity is not worthless, and certainly not fanservice, at least for the most part. I mean, what’s fanservicey about her? Rarity as Nightmare Moon… ahhhh… must have… ahhhh… so amazing…
Furthermore, the question of canonicity in the comics works on the same principle as “innocent until proven guilty,” that is, it’s not directly 100% canon, but unless the show contradicts it then it qualifies.
Tell me, do you have something against the comics? Or are you just being a butt?
@GuyverIV87
No that worthless fan service character is not canon. It is dubbed non canon on the wiki. Dubbed noncanon everywhere. dream somewhere else.
Oh Celestia no, I thought this was over.
Here’s an example. If I say I have a girlfriend, you wouldn’t readily believe me. I’m not defending the claim. I am making a case. If I can’t back it up, I shouldn’t expect you to believe she even exists. You don’t get to decide if your client is the prosecution or the defendant. All events need a basis or they can’t be treated as ever having happened. As a fictional character, she is an event, as is every other character in the series. The others were backed up due to appearing in the core part of the series, so they are canon. This is why it’s called not guilty instead of innocent. By your logic, it is certainly and irreversibly canon unless reversed by Hasbro, except irreversible means just that, and any attempt would simply result in Death of the Author, where not even Hasbro would be capable of declaring anything non-canon, including fanfiction.
Oops, well there goes my disguise.
Anyway, this is way past ridiculous.
@glockenspiel
What you’re saying just.. doesn’t work. If I say in my own terms that I am defending something, you can’t say I’m not. That’s just not the way it goes!
Or to put it another way, I am tired of this conversation (we’ve practically doubled the number of comments on this image by this point,) so please do shut up.
Okay… I’ll spell it out. Ready? Okay.
I WAS DEFENDING NIGHTMARITY AND THE COMICS AS A WHOLE FROM THE ACCUSATION THAT THEY WERE NOT CANON.
You aren’t defending. Nightmarty isn’t a defendant. As an event, she is the charge.
How am I the prosecutor when I’m defending her?!
No. You are not the defense. You would be prosecution. The comic itself is the charge. I didn’t say you weren’t supporting Nightmare-Rarity. I was stating that you are misquoting every court case ever.
No, the defense, the defense that I WAS MAKING, was that IT WAS CANON unless it were proven otherwise! Like, stop telling me that I’m saying something other than what I’m saying! Have you not been paying attention?! Look at the previous comments! I was clearly defending Nightmarity and the comics in general by comparing them to the “innocent until proven guilty” principle. And we clearly have the same point of view on the canonicity here!! So stop saying that I’ve got it all backwards on this thing which not only have I clearly NOT, in the terms that I HAVE SET FORTH, backwards, but is ultimately the same argument as yours!!
That isn’t the accusation. That’s the defense, since it wouldn’t have even been stated if nobody first claimed that it was canon. If a person claims something happened, and someone else claims it didn’t, the former is making the accusation. The charge is the thing that is labeled canon or non-canon (it actually happened or did not actually happen). Nobody is going to flat out say it’s non-canon unless another fan first says it is, just like Santa has no defense in the majority of murder cases, since nobody has pressed charges on him in the first place, so nobody is going to defend him unless some group makes the accusation in the first place. If I say I didn’t kill someone, that’s not an accusation that someone is lying. It’s a defense against their accusation that I did.
The accusation was that it WASN’T canon! How is saying that something that is presumed to be mostly canon until contradicted, is canon, an accusation?!
guilty means the accusation is true. innocent means it is not true. Therefore, unless it is proven canon, it isn’t. The ending part was referring to YOUR logic.
What in the blue blazes are you on about?!
You’re thinking of “guilty until proven innocent”, you goose! How could you get it so completely backwards?
Because guilty means the accusation is correct. If it is innocent until proven guilty, then unless it is absolutely, objectively proven certain that Nightmare Rarity actually happened, she didn’t. I personally have no stance on whether or not she is, but “innocent until proven guilty” refers to the fact that, unless the accuser has absolute proof that their story is canon, it isn’t. Your version would mean that, unless the accused can prove that they were set up, even if they could be innocent by another means, they are guilty.
What?
INNOCENT until proven GUILTY = Presumed to be canon until the show says otherwise.
I don’t really see how those two things are opposites.
I hate to necropost, but that’s the exact opposite of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty”.
(Are you replying to a comment posted over a year ago??) So, in answer to my question, yes, you are, in fact, being a butt.
Comics and she is shit and nuff said.
My, aren’t you a charming person. Nightmare Rarity is not worthless, and certainly not fanservice, at least for the most part. I mean, what’s fanservicey about her? Rarity as Nightmare Moon… ahhhh… must have… ahhhh… so amazing…
Furthermore, the question of canonicity in the comics works on the same principle as “innocent until proven guilty,” that is, it’s not directly 100% canon, but unless the show contradicts it then it qualifies.
Tell me, do you have something against the comics? Or are you just being a butt?
No that worthless fan service character is not canon. It is dubbed non canon on the wiki. Dubbed noncanon everywhere. dream somewhere else.
Unless the show says otherwise, it’s still considered canon.
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ALL HAIL NIGHTMARE MOON!
Gee you’re right. I should make more of a point to look at the content first instead of skipping to the comments.
Looks like someone hasn’t read the comic to the end…
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