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I kid, I kid.
Seriously though – speaking of memes – fashion styles, trends and fads would be subsets of meme (any cultural idea that can be spread around).
Oh, being popular and being fashionable are both part of fashion trends and the fashion world, but not always mutually inclusive of one another. But you lead with quoting a dictionary, so I didn’t want to confuse you by getting into that.
You can be popular, and you can be fashionable which probably means you’re also popular, but you can also be popular and unfashionable which of course is still part of fashion because you’re popular (you’re the one E! is going to gossip about). You can also both be fashionable by following fashion, or be fashionable by defining fashion for others–which is important for fashion as followers are how fashion lives and the trendsetters defining it are how fashions are born.
Obviously with Rarity the latter is the case; she’s a trendsetter and an artiste, which is why I made the joke that kicked this whole thing off. The open-chest sweater is a meme, and technically a fashion trend (technically because it’s almost all virtual), but that doesn’t mean the sweater necessarily fashionable to wear, since, as I noted before, it’s very tacky looking (there’s a reason it’s more of a meme than an actual fashion, though memes and fashions are very similar concepts, but I digress…) and a lot of the meme art just makes jokes about how silly it is.
You fixate on the exact definition of words too much. Language is a medium to communicate; if you focus on particular definitions of words too much you start to miss the forest for the trees.
I’m beginning to think you’re conflating the different meanings of “fashionable” – whether intentionally or not, I can’t say – but fashion at large still consists mostly of popular trends, which is why “popular” is one of the meanings of “fashion” and “fashionable”.
Yes, exactly, dictionaries are descriptive. That’s why quoting them is pointless when discussing how a word is used; if the word is used in a way not described in a dictionary but also clearly understood by the audience, then the dictionary is the one that changes, not how the word is used.
Crocs were never fashionable; they were just popular. It’s accepted there’s a difference between the two. I’m not saying fashion designers dictate every fashion, but if it was widely understood that popularity alone can dictate fashion, there wouldn’t be lists of top fashion faux pas that are always full of popular trends in clothing. Crocs wouldn’t have been the butt of jokes about fashion for years to the point where most people wearing them were doing it ironically after a while.
The keyhole sweater is a meme; it’s popular, that doesn’t mean it’s a fashionable thing to wear. It got popular because it’s tacky and hilarious looking, but also titillating on a different level.
Dictionaries are descriptive of how language is used.
Fashion also works both ways – it’s not just the designers dictating what’s “in” this season; what people actually decide to wear is the bottom line of fashion.
If enough people decided to wear Crocs, then Crocs would become fashionable.
And then upon consulting the dictionary recall that the English language still isn’t prescriptive, so that was pointless and added nothing to the conversation.
Recall: In spite of Crocs being super popular no one would defend them as fashionable.
“Actually, Rarity, you need to consult a
Sweetie Belledictionary.”Fashionable: