Well, I kind of sympathize with the OP. I’m here mostly for humanized and close-to-human-anthro and can’t really see the appeal in true pony porn.  
But honestly, why can’t we all accept that there are others with different interests than yourself?  
I don’T mind other people clopping of to ponies even if I wouldn’t do it.

Well, duh I like them as they are raw as a pony. :3

@Background Pony #0F67
 
You have a pretty weird definition of “normal” if it includes erotic pairing of a very well-endowed anthro female reindeer with a non-anthro snake (two primary characters of Chalodillo)

@Background Pony #2F2B  
No, unfortunately, they’re not “human enough” for that particular fraction of perverted furries I mentioned hence the reason why I said “most” not “all.” There are perverted furries that see 100% ponies the same way cloppers do after all.
 
But the point of the comic is the hypocrisy of the complainer featured in the comic is that he’s just as zoophilic or more than the furries that make the ponies more human-like to fap to. He doesn’t realize that he’s also sexualizing animals as well, which is ponies.

Now apparently since i can’t seem to find one damn argument or point in this thread that could be made by some rational people i’m gonna end it before it turns into some damn petty childish shouting match flame war.
 
Keith, you go ahead and keep living in your little delusional fantasy world about the furry fandom, I choose to quit it.
 
That doesn’t mean I or people like me have to stop drawing though, I couldn’t give a shit if the furry fandom went down the toilet, i’m gonna keep drawing just don’t bring me down with you.
 
I’m very disappointed that i can’t find any mature legit people who can converse with me otherwise and prove me wrong, i guess that ain’t gonna happen. And you guys wonder why nobody respects furries, they’re just as bad as fuckin’ feminists that use shaming and intolerance tactics thinkg that it could “guilt” people and all it does is drives people further away. None of you guy’s proved me wrong. I was willing to have a discussion but apparently I guess that ain’t gonna happen.
 
And you know what, for those of you who think that i’m acting like an asshole, I started out real calm and collected before it started turning to shit, so i’m gonna stop replying, unless if you actually have something GOOD to say that convinces me otherwise, i might, otherwise, I don’t give a shit.
 
P.s, for those of you who feel just like I feel, I strongly encourage you to keep drawing, keep doing what you’re doing, just don’t conform and don’t be ashamed of drawing anthros or w/e you do because of the furry fandom. Draw for YOU, fuck everybody else.

@Keith Mowz  
Whatever i’m trying to claim, you know what dude? You’re a fuckin’ lost cause. I actually had some respect for you because you seemed like a decent guy, but you are so full of fucking denial like all the other furries its almost sad to see, i’ve been in the furry fandom for a loooong time dude. So please don’t try to fuckin’ play me like that man.
 
And the fact that YOU said “whatever IM trying to claim” just justifies the fact that YOU didn’t even bother to really try and read everything I said dude. I specifically made these long posts so I can try to clear up every point without sounding biased or critical but apparently you can’t seem to read so I can’t help you there dude.
 
I guess the saying’s true, “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make ‘em drink”.
 
And instead of trying to argue a point without being hostile you just attack me dude and explain why i’m wrong, you bring up no evidence or points whatsoever. Just bitch and complain like i’ve seen other furries do, and they wonder why they don’t get any respect.
 
I would just loooooove it, really love it if at least ONE down-to-earth furry would at least admit that i’m partially correct and admit things need to change, show some fucking honesty about yourself for once in your life. Then at least we can have a decent conversation without coming to extreme conclusions. There’d be more dignity and respect in it. There are a few furries out there that admit it, not many though. This is why the furry fandom is dying.
 
Its because they are tired of the deviant and taboo behaviours. If you think that ain’t true, then thats you’re problem.
 
@Background Pony #2F2B  

 
Well, think what you’d like to think dude. It is. I’m not saying that its wrong (i stated over and over and over again this) but it is reaaally “out there” to be runnin’ around in Fursuits and obsessing over animals and seeing on a day to fucking day after day after day basis of nothing but pictures of vore/inflation/muscle/beasteality every fuckin’ time i go on FurAffinity and just browsing through favs and artists. And the people dude, jesus christ man. I’m not trying to be deragotory and shame people for being into it, but when these people become the primary center of ANY fandom, problems erupt, and this is USUALLY the cause of the destruction of a movement/group/fandom what have you.
 
I put up with that shit for 10 years, most people who used to draw anthros couldn’t put up with it for 10 months, especially after having sooo many fucking people “yiffing” them and rubbing their fetishes down their throats and using “murrow” or whatever the fuck they say, beats me man. I put up with the bullshit because i fell in love with some of the art style and the cartoons, thats why i put up with it.
 
If you think these people are a minority, i’m sorry dude, they’re a huuge chunk. Realistically, i’d say at least 20% of the furry fandom is like this and the others tolerate it.
 
The Furry Fandom have chased away alot of like-minded and level-headed people like me away and instead swarmed them with a bunch of fetish freaks/animal worshipers. Its the same reason why the Hippie movement died too. It was all about peace and love until it turned into a swarm of drug addicts and hedonists.

FYI: When you use the word “deviants” you look like a religious fanatic.

@Background Pony #0F67  
Are… are you real?
 
Maybe you’ve never ever had a furaffinity account with the mature filters disabled but both of them draw tons of porn. Are they ‘true anthro artists’ because its mostly solo female stuff?
 
Regardless of whatever you’re trying to claim, I’m gonna tell you to fuck right off with that ‘no true scotsman’ bullshit, though.

There’s perversion in every fandom, MLP is no exception to the rule (like r34). But the culture of perversion is centeralized around the Furry fandom. And now i’m hearing that from a tumblr post that there is reluctancy to even want to post anything Anthro (or furry if you prefer that term, i don’t) or anthro cartoons because of the furry fandom’s infamous reputation, as a result, its dying out.
 
All I can say is, the furry fandom did this to themselves. This is what happens when you isolate a lot of people who like to draw characters and cartoons just for fun and instead cater and focus more on people who happen to be deviants and fetish obsessed types running around with fursuits and make those people feel welcome while chasing away NORMAL people who have nothing to do with any of this.
 
Hell I made an argument about this almost a month ago on this thread(I was too lazy to respond back) but I was expecting (in my own naivete) some measure of consent (yeah, I guess I can see your point), instead I just got attacks, and I wasn’t even being disrespectful or spiteful, just laying out some reality (with the best of my ability to be as fair and as non biased as possible, but sometimes you gotta call bullshit for what it is, even if it sounds too politically incorrect).
 
Thats why people always laugh or make mocking statements whenever I say “normal” & “furry” because it’s considered an oxymoron. But its not. I look at most of this shit as just cartoons. Anthros are just another form of cartoons to me, not some deviant/alternative culture bullshit. The thing is though, they say its about animals, but I think that statement is taken waaay out of context. Animals, humans, whats the difference? Its all just cartoons. But Furries tend to centeralize it around animals (in other words REAL animals and animal culture that makes it look more like some PETA organization or animal worshipers rather than cartoons. In fact a lot of Furry artwork tends to be much more realistic looking rather than just silly cartoon characters.
 
Examples of true anthro artists (not furry) are people like AWD (themadcatter) & Chalo  
www . furaffinity . net / user / themadcatter /  
www . furaffinity . net / user / chalodillo /  
(sorry i have to post links like this because derpibooru doesn’t allow me to post links as a BP)
 
 
Artists like him is what got me into drawing anthro characters and cartoons, unfortunately people like him are a very small portion of the furry fandom. Furries are something COMPLETELY else than those 2 artist, and sadly, many of these people are being driven out.
 
Its the reason why people are starting to use the term anthro not furry.
 
And look, i’m not saint dude, i’m not criticizing porn. I like porn as much as the next guy. But when you have a fandom that not just centeralizes itself on porn, but deviant/alternative porn and deviant/alt lifestyles and make a fucking identity out of whatever obscure fetish they have, it becomes a huuuge problem, and the end result is disasterous. I’m not telling you what you should or shouldn’t jack off too, thats your business, but don’t rub it in people’s faces nor expect people to conform to you just because you & I go to the same burger joint (analogy).

@Background Pony #1BF4  

 
You mean like mlp?

It seems pretty obvious to me that this comic is about the hypocrisy that he wants to have sex with ponies, which are considered animals, and he doesn’t want to have sex with anything that’s close to a human, which isn’t an animal. He doesn’t realize that he’s more zoophilic than the furries he’s criticizing because hey at least most of the perverted furries want to do human-like things rather than full blown animals that can talk.

@Background Pony #2F2B  
I guess? It’s more just a general ‘isnt it awesome to not be sexually repressed’.

Am I the only person who thinks it’s awesome being a perverted furry?

@Background Pony #8FE1  
>implying I have a position  
>proving you haven’t read the thread  
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I’ll engage in calm and rational dialogue when you stop with the impassioned page long diatribes.
 
You’ve gotten sick of how everyone sees furries as a bunch of pervs, have been exposed to a bunch of pervs, and are now trying to wash your hands of the whole thing in disgust. I get that. But I don’t see it. And I see even less how the brony fandom is in any way different. There’s no shortage of pony fursuits. Or quad suits, even. And I certainly agree, I find ‘em creepy looking too.
 
But it’s all still about animals that are people and gushing about how amazing they look, how much fun they are to draw, and for some, how sexy they are. Doesn’t matter if the source material is MLP, Starfox, Pokemon or just a bunch of OCs. S’all furry, dude.

@The Smiling Pony  

 
Ahh yes, of course. I make one comment about this and all of a sudden, i’m a homophobe. Its typical, since I guess since anything that is considered PC is beyond criticism and if you merely just criticize certain aspects of it you’re a homophobe. Thank you for proving my point. In fact, it wasn’t even a criticism of homosexuality, I was merely pointing out that the Furry fandom is geared to a “specific” group of people with alternative lifestyles, not just people who are into cartoons, characters, anime, and occasinally anthromorphs. (i’m not talking about gay people in general), i’m talking about people who are “hardcore” “extreme-in-your-face” types, hell it applies to straight people who have obscure fetishes too.
 
Instead of actually trying to actually debate and defend your position you proceeded to use the “strawmanning” tactics instead of actually really analyzing my statement, if you did, you’d realize I don’t feel that way at all.
 
People like you remind me of the types of liberals that Bill Maher criticize (and he’s a liberal too). He’s an Atheist that bashes Christianity all day long and no one says a word and actually agrees. He criticize’s Islam and all of a sudden he’s an “Islamophobe”. After all, all these things are above criticism.
 
 
@Keith Mowz  

 
Rambling dude? Really? You wanna know what rambling and ranting sounds like? Here, i’ll give you an example:
 
“OMG FUCKING FURFAGS!!21``@!! YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS ARE TEH GAYZZZ AND LIKE TO FUCK ANIMALS!! ALL TEH FURRIEZEZE ARE TEH EVIL PEOPLE AND SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!!111!!”
 
I never said that, in fact i even stated that “NOT ALL furries or people involved in the furry fandom are like that”. I guess you didn’t bother to read anything, in fact, i even defended that furries have a right to do what they damn well please, that doesn’t mean we have to be associated with them on the basis that we ONLY have one thing in common, cartoon’s, 99% of everything else we do not have in common.
 
You think that all what I said I said lightly? You don’t think this is something that I actually wondered for a loooong time and debated in my head if i was wrong or right about this? For fuck’s sake, its not like I look at the worst of the fandom and just looked at one picture and automatically assumed that. I NEVER do that, I always try to examine very deeply and question, much more so than the average person.
 
And whats this with the whole “I’m a furry and you’re just a BP”? You implying that I’m some kind of coward because i’m annoymous that i can say these things without retaliation?
 
I love how you are talking down to me like i’m some sort of Adolescent who knows nothing considereing the fact that i’ve been in the fandom since mid 2005 and slowly started distancing myself a few years back because I realized that this isn’t what I signed up for, I’m just a nerd who likes characters and cartoons, couldn’t give a rats ass about animals or pretending to be one, fursuits creep me the fuck out (but hey thats just my opinion i’m not condeming you or telling you that you shouldn’t dress that), and don’t care about the rest of the furry fandom. The brony fandom doesn’t have that atmosphere, not that there’s furries who don’t participate in the MLP fandom, but that doesn’t make any difference.
 
I’m not the only one who feels this way either, theres quiiiite a lot of people who felt this way too in the furry fandom. I’m merely saying this because apparently nobody has the balls to speak out for fear of ridicule and mockery as you attempted to do. A lot of people are coming to the same conclusion as me and that’s why they’re leaving. Frankly, i think you should be happy now, the furry fandom can now just really BE a place for like-minded furries, instead of just people who like cartoons, anime, artwork, games and whatnot.
 
But hey, what do I know, i’m just a stupid adolescent who knows nothing about the furry fandom, even though i’ve been on FurAffinity for over 10 years. And forcefully tolerated all the extremism’s of the fandom. But look, i’m willing to listen and perhaps even be enlightened and admit that I was wrong if you can prove to me otherwise without resorting to typical “fursecution/intolerance” or calling me an asshole or making childish “come-back” statements.
 
Or hell, at least give a compelling argument as to why you think i’m wrong about MY OPINION in a calm, rational manner. It wont be the first time somebody debated me in a rational manner and actually convinced me, as I know i’ve convinced others about my opinion as well.

That’s a whole lot of ranting and rambling about a subject that you are most likely in an inferior position to make hilariously inaccurate judgement calls about, bro, considering you are talking to an obvious furry and speaking as a BP.

@Background Pony #B13B  

If I was in a band, that would be our name.

@Background Pony #B13B  
“and to be fair its true, not ALL furries share this concept”
 
Yeah that’s the point with “Not all X are like that”. It’s always true, it’s just some groups like to imply it isn’t.

@Background Pony #B13B  

I don’t think we’re on the same site…
 
 

Oh no teh gays.

Now I’ve often hear the typical NAFALT argument (the term actually applies to feminists but in this case i’ll replace it with “furries”) and to be fair its true, not ALL furries share this concept, however the problem with the Furry Fandom is the unfortunate reality that the fandom was Originally intended to be a type of culture of tabooism and fetish enthusiasts and hippish lifestyle of animal worshipers.
 
In other word’s, despite the fact that there are alot of furries who are not that extreme, the extremism IS centeralized and IS the primary element of the furry fandom. It is intended for the people with the fursuiters and animal worshipers/lifestylers.
 
Lastly, on a realistic side, look, we ALL have an obligation of tolerance. We ALL have to tolerate EVERY being’s right to exsist and respect. And I understand why Furries set out to create a community of like-minded people and to create a haven/safespace for people who are fetish obsessed/taboo obsessed and animal worshiping whatnot because of all the animosity of the social structure. But the major problem that I have with Furries is that they take something like a simple art form (like anthropomorphism) that generally belongs to everybody, including people who are “NORMAL” (meaning not into the tabooisms/extremisms of the furry fandom or take it too seriously) and turn it into a symbolization of the Furry culture/taboo culture, therefore drawing anthro cartoon characters makes you on the same level as furries.
 
This is in no way a condemnation of furries or of the furry fandom, but we also reserve the right to form our own identity without being considered on the same level as them (i’m speaking on behalf of bronies of course). Its really just as unfair as saying well (a weird analogy) you like the color RED. But the theme of the Furry fandom is also the color red, meaning that IF you like the color RED and 99% of furries like the color RED, that makes you a furry!. Its the same stupid-ass argument that i often hear Feminists use to incorporate everybody into its movement but it just primarily demonizes men and SOLELY focuses on women’s issues but pretends that it focuses on men(i know its off topic but i’d figure it would be a good example) Basically speaking, Anthropomorphism SHOULD not be considered a symbolization of the furry fandom and NOBODY should have to feel like they’re on the same level as furries just because they like to draw anthros because Anthros are cool looking cartoons, thats all!

@Toby Queef  

 
@Keith Mowz  

Oh Boy here we go….  
Well, I guess I’ll bite since i’ve seen almost NO ONE point out this argument. I feel that the reason why there was soo much detestment from the brony fandom to the furry fandom/anthropomorphism is on the basis of the “culture” that is behind anthropomorphism. I often here (in a mocking tone of course) that it is considered an oxymoron for MLP fans to criticize furries because they’re essentially the same thing or very similar to (which is soo not true, and i’ll state why in a minute). And they make this assumption simply based on the fact that Bronies also like to draw anthropomorphic characters (because they look cool!)
 
But the problem when making that blatant assumption is if you look at the fandoms and the culture/people behind these two fandoms, they’re VERY different, almost nothing in relation. And i’m not just talking about simple mi-nute irrellevant bullshit like “bronies are into horses, furries are into wolves/foxes”. I’m talking about the attitude, the people, atmosphere and the “symbolization”.
 
If you really examine the MLP fandom as a whole, its really just a fandom of Nerdy/Geeky fans of a cartoon show, it actually has lot more in common with the Anime/Otaku fandoms and other “geeky fandoms” like Trekkies and whatnot. Whilst furry fandoms go beyond the concept of just being a fandom of cartoons, it is centeralized around a specific tabooish lifestyle consisting a sort of “celebration” and a somewhat Hedonistic over-indulgence of fetishes, forced tolerance and forced acceptance of people’s extreme and taboo behavior, and an abnormal obsession/worship of ACTUAL animals. Cartoonism/artwork are merely the background of the furry fandom, they are NOT the primary element.
 
Now I know that somebody is bound to make a counter-argument stating that “bronies can be pervert’s too!!!!11!! So can other fandoms!” Yeah? So? If you look that the vast majority of explicit artwork that is on this site, you’d realize it consists of at least 90% of straight art, and a very good portion of the artwork consists just beautiful anthropomorphic characters like Atryl’s artwork. Or Siden, Herny and especially Dahliabee’s anthro characters, who are very beautiful! XD Does that make us weird? Absolutely! But does that level of perversion equate to the level of the taboo fetishes like INFLATION/VORE and “extreme in-your-face homosexuality” that is prevalent in the furry fandom? Its about as unfair as stating well, looking at ALL porn is perverted, but if you just like to see georgous beautiful tall blondes getting fucked, that doesn’t make your perversion nowhere NEAR on the level of a guy who likes to get shitted on his face! Lol XD (on a personal note, it is in no way condemning people who are into it, but we do have a right to seperate from it and not be considered on the same level).

@Background Pony #75F3  
Since it started.

@Ultradoom333: “i didn’t expect this many people to take it seriously…”  
And how long have you been in the brony community?

@The Smiling Pony  
Ah, my memory is still intact then.