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  • No. ‘real’ communism have happened it just different from paper then reality in reality. And in some ways it worked. It just changed like china. Where yes some for of capitalism is there it just all of the business are ether owed by the government or renting land/factory from the government.
  • the main reason why there was food shortages is because well wen a violent revolution happens. You kinda killed the people who knew how to run a economy.
  • and finally I think humans are just too greedy for a tipe of communism to even work. I can see it happening in a highly collectivized species like ants. Us humans like owning things and if we don’t own everything well be sad.
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@Shurffski
And I understand you, well .. there is no pure market economy in a spherical vacuum, it will already be anarcho-capitalism, which of course is impossible for existence.
Each country has mixed economies, with a public and private sector.
My criticism is directed at a 100% planned economy with the absence of a private sector, as in North Korea or in the USSR, not in its best years.
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@Atlas_66
There is rarely a social environment that can satisfy everyone for a long time, especially for a large country. A fully planned economy can indeed enable a country’s heavy industry to emerge from nothing; the drawbacks are also as you said, the Soviets queued up to buy food, and the Shenzhen residents of China fled to Hong Kong. So China started reform and opening up
Ownership is not limited to individuals, but also collectives and enterprises. Our political textbook says that China is a mixed ownership system; private companies have state-owned companies holding shares, and state-owned companies also have private companies holding shares. I don’t know if other countries have done so. In short, most countries use planned economy and market economy at the same time, but the frequency of use is different.
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@Shurffski
Thank you for telling us about China and life inside the country, it was interesting to read.
But, I just have to correct that, of course, the planned economy takes care of food and housing, but at the expense of a lower standard of living. The planned economy also leads to a shortage of goods, which was in historical practice in various socialist and quasi-socialist countries.
What does it mean that China is not fully private property? either there is private property or it is not.
Housing was given out in the USSR, but nothing is free, you had to stand in line there for 10 years, and this state-owned apartment did not belong to you, and all this was financed by taxes.
But all this was done due to the low standard of living of the population, and I did not want to live in the country with a planned economy)
And also in China there is such a wonderful game as Genshin Impact, and if there had been a planned economy, then this game would never have come into being. xD
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@Atlas_66
I know that left and right are very abstract. I am referring to the left and right in the Western capitalist environment. The people on the left feel that there are always people being persecuted and should meet those people’s requirements first; while national honor and economic growth are not worth mentioning before individual happiness. The person on the right believes that white civilized society has been destroyed by immigrants and slum people; and environmental protection is just an excuse for paying taxes. Therefore, in Chinese keyboard politics, when patriotism is considered to be a rightist by anarchists; of course, in my opinion, nationalism itself is just a tool with no inclinations.
Singapore has a small size and a special location, which cannot withstand the impact of the economic crisis; the economic model cannot be fully replicated
China’s professional education has not kept up with economic growth. The admission score of the college entrance examination is getting higher and higher, and the school also forces students to attend more classes. If a student cannot enter a good university, life will be very difficult. Because there are too many useless labors, they can only wait to be squeezed by capitalists in a market economy. The planned economy at least takes care of food and housing
China is not entirely private ownership, at least such things as skyrocketing electricity prices and gas prices will not happen in China
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@Shurffski
the minorities (but asian) are on the left, racists and economy are on the right
>I don’t quite understand where racism and economics have to do with it, you mixed up a lot of things and in the end I did not understand your proposal?))
hhh singapore is exactly a poor little utopia nothing about the world. it’s easy as abc to develop.
>I would correct you, Singapore is a rich little utopia.
a government have both power and money? this country is beside yours. people said we are on too left!
>What country do you mean about? China? well, from an economic point of view, China is a right-wing state, because there is private ownership of the means of production. And for this reason, I love China.
just wanna go back to the boring days with 8-hour-work and houses given by government.
>Well, here I have nothing to answer, I do not know anything about the internal life of China, because I do not live there, there are no friends of mine. I don’t know anything about the working day))
But in Russia we have different working day schedules, there are 8 hours, there are 12 hours, here there are different professions of work.
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@Atlas_66
、the minorities (but asian) are on the left, racists and economy are on the right
、hhh singapore is exactly a poor little utopia nothing about the world. it’s easy as abc to develop.
、a government have both power and money? this country is beside yours. people said we are on too left! we can’t hold it! we want more colorful life! but now, some young people just wanna go back to the boring days with 8-hour-work and houses given by government.
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Well, yes, but they cannot be compared with the real Bolsheviks)) because they really wanted the Bolsheviks to sow a world revolution, to destroy capitalism. And those politicians are modern, of course, they are of the left wing, but I would not call it radicalism. (#><)
 
Although .. I do not live in the USA, and what politicians are elected there does not bother me, I am from Russia.
 
In general, I do not approve of democratic elections, because most of the people always vote for people of the left, who scatter cheap populism in order to gain more votes, and are not engaged in real affairs.  
I like the political model in Singapore, for example. (´ ω `♡)
 
I am more close to the model of a state with a monarchy or authoritarianism, but at the same time with open borders and a free market, capitalist model of the economy.  
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@SMT5015
the main thing is that these people of radical left views did not get into real politics and did not go to the polls)
 
they did though, and they’ve been in power for many years in america. and if you need more proof to this, just look at comrade bernie and the goon squad.
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Oppresses women and children  
All rights are equal since 1918, free schools and universities for everyone

 
>Free schools were in the Russian Empire, general education was already there.  
And those educational standards that were in the USSR were originally standards from the tsarist education. The Bolsheviks, even when they came to power, they abandoned the standard education and experimented, for example, with collectible assessments and with the prohibition of teaching history in the early days. Then they brought back the image of the tsarist education.  
30s, when professors with imperial education taught at universities, and higher education in Russia was of very high quality, it is a pity, of course, that not everyone survived and there was repression.
 
And yes, nothing is never free, it’s a cheap, pop-loving move. Moreover, education and universities can be built without gulags, without political repression and without borders closed for leaving.
 
Kills innovation and initiative  
Went mad with modernising everything, rewarded innovative workers

 
>Modernization and peaceful industrialization was back in the Russian Empire, forced industrialization and modernization can be done without communists in power, without driving people into collective farms, without mass extermination of people based on their class affiliation and physical destruction of political dissidents, without gulags, without collective farms, sub-appropriation.  
All this can be done without political practice implying class struggle and the principle of collective responsibility; it turns out that these are not necessary conditions in order to carry out modernization and make innovative decisions.  
Again, this was all still in the Russian Empire, and if it were not for the First World War and the subsequent upheavals, then Russia would have continued to develop even more actively.
 
 
Destroys traditional culture  
As if it is good by itself

 
>Yes, the Bolshevik government really destroyed massive cultural monuments and culture. Culturally, one religion was replaced by another religion, from the Orthodox faith to the Marxist faith.  
When artists were forced to paint “socialist realism” and if in the Russian Empire an artist could display a picture with the poor, for example, in the USSR the censorship would not have allowed a picture where Soviet citizens were already living in poverty))  
Culturally, it was powerful propaganda that even now there are people who can justify the atrocities of the Bolsheviks.  
In general, you could not paint a picture or create any art that shows a revolution (illegal armed coup) from a negative position.
 
Spreading false propaganda  
>Covering up its misdeeds  
>Internal corruption  
These reasons are valid for pretty much every regime ever though

 
>Yes, the USSR is not the only country that is sinning with this, in Nazi Germany there was no less corruption and even more internal chaos, there was also stupid propaganda, but what does other countries have to do with it when it comes to the Soviet regime.  
Of course, in the United States there is corruption and propaganda in Britain, but we are not talking about these countries))  
In general, I am not liberal) I have no complaints about propaganda or corruption, even the fact that the Soviet regime is not democracy, this totalitarianism, I have no complaints about this.  
My main complaint is to the ideology itself, to the planned economy, state capitalism that was in the USSR and the destruction of the private market, and with closed borders, this gives rise to a black market and even more corruption.
 
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p.s. And at the expense of the picture itself with the inscription “Communism is evil?” I disagree with this, communism is not evil)) in general, the ideology itself sounds very nice on paper, and it easily draws uneducated people into their faith, but … in practice, what comes out when building communism is already a separate question)  
I do not treat communism as evil, for me it is like a Bible and a promise of paradise, the fact that people sit in the room and read Marxism, believe in a beautiful fairy tale about communism, I have no problems with this)) the main thing is that these people of radical left views did not get into real politics and did not go to the polls)
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>Oppresses women and children  
All rights are equal since 1918, free schools and universities for everyone
 
>Kills innovation and initiative  
Went mad with modernising everything, rewarded innovative workers
 
>Destroys traditional culture  
As if it is good by itself
 
>Spreading false propaganda  
>Covering up its misdeeds  
>Internal corruption  
These reasons are valid for pretty much every regime ever though
 
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