The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things)

@Exhumed Legume  
I feel as if there’s a significant difference between Emmet Till and Vic, who on numerous occasions kiss underage girls and has dozens of people who can testify to that, including his own coworkers and convention staff who worked with him  
You can find pictures everywhere  

 
But I suppose if you ignore multiple witness testimony of Vic being a terrible person, photographic evidence of him kissing underage girls, I suppose you can construe his innocence
 
And here’s a video by a rape and abuse survivor who notes the difficulty of going to police  
The police in America have 40% rate of domestic violence, I am sure they are reliable to handle instance of rape

@Commune  
OH NO!  
NOT ON THE CHEEK, THE MONSTROUS PERVERT!
 
 

There’s a significant commonality though – Social Justice.
 
Also, evidence is still not the plural of anecdote.

@Commune  
OK, I admit I was wrong. The dude come to cross a super scummy. The problem I have though is that he’s be punished before being found guilty, and before even being charged with a crime. If the guy is indeed guilty, he absolutely deserves to have his life destroyed. But can we at least have the courts do their job before you jumping to that point?  
And @Exhumed Legume, we should hear out the allegations of the victims. With how many people have come forward, and considering that several of these reports come from people he work with, there’s more than likely some truth to him being a scumbag. There’s just no way that many people could be lying; that’s like some conspiracy theory level bullshit.

@Silent_Witness  

Exactly.
 

Naw, bruh, Social Justice lynch mobs are the way to go.

@Exhumed Legume  
You do realise it’s not uncommon for sexual assault allegations to go unreported  
It’s very well documented, a basic google search shows that  
Also, I don’t think it’s normal for a ~50 year old man to be repeatedly kissing 14 year old girls, just saying
 
@Silent_Witness  
His life won’t be ruined, he’s probably rich as fuck and probably will still have countless of fangirls who would fuck him
 
Chris Brown straight up had shit tons of girls saying they would endure him beating them up after he beat the everloving shit out of Rihanna. I doubt it will be any different here
 
The fact remains that many people accused him of sexual assault, and countless more have accused him of being a terrible human being in general  
These simply cannot be handwaved away, especially when there are evidence to back them up(witness testimony or otherwise)

@Commune  
Let me get this straight. This girl had a picture of Vic kissing her cheek, and you expect me to believe that she was not okay with it, even though the picture clearly shows she was okay with it? Blurry or not, I can see her smiling.
 
You want me to believe that not only was she not okay with this, but she also waited several weeks to post it?
 
This is as if I hugged someone in public, and then that particular decided to bring it up to shame me several months later. Worst is that I am a hugger, as I like hugs. So I have hugged a lot of people.

@Scrabbleman  
“She was smiling so she had to enjoy it ?”  
This is so fucking disgusting, this is literally the same logic rapists use to justify their actions  
This isn’t just one picture, there are dozens of account from many people about his actions, but sure, go ahead and dismiss them just because they were smiling

@Commune  
Vic’s famous, but he’s no Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby or Chris Brown. In all likelihood, even if the allegations against him don’t end up going anywhere, he’ll still probably never work in voice acting again just from the damage to his reputation alone.
 
And as for the eyewitness this thing, I actually have something to say about that: Eyewitness testimony is admissible in a court of law. But Vic isn’t in a court of law. Not yet. So it’s understandable why so many people are unwilling to believe even when there are so many allegations. And yeah the pictures are super creepy, and he could probably be put away on those alone, But I’m sure at least some of those are being taken out of context deliberately. I’m not saying that what he’s doing in them is right, but that there is a context behind them that’s being ignored to push an agenda. Something like a video, or multiple eyewitness accounts of a single event, would be harder to dispute.

@Commune  

And that’s all one really needs, right?  
Who cares about having work and a normal, healthy social life as long as you have money and nookie, eh…?
 

Oh, so this is a police matter? Or are you just using a judicial term to give more credibility to rumors and hearsay?
 
 
@Scrabbleman  

*Gasp!*  
You monster!
 
 
@Commune  
“She accused him, therefore he’s guilty” is literally the same logic the KKK used to justify lynchings.  
Funny how that works…

@Commune  
You know that’s not what I said, right? Also, I really hate it when someone decided to retell my words in different forms. Fuck people who do that.
 
I just can’t understand her logic. If it was me who got kissed, I’d feel really bad and slapped him. If someone held my hand, I’d pull it back. I will force myself through situations, not sit idly like an idiot.
 
And right now, I’m just wondering, “Why didn’t she do something then and there?”. Can you answer that question? I gave you what I’d do. It’s what seems natural for people to do.
 
What’s your excuse?

@Commune
 
if (accusation.getAccuser().gender == gender.Woman) accusation.Believe;
 

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Also, accusations are not proof, and nobody is handwaving away the claims. Skepticism shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand because of negative applications in the past, nor should it be dismissed because of some perceived power differential at play.

So, anyone remember mercedes Carrera?  
Apparently she went downhill. REAL DOWNHILL and decided to abuse a 10 year say accusations.
 
Ironic how the usual came out to gloat about this, while if you remember back Sarahbuttz, and the numerous accounts of them that had accusations of everything from their side.
 
 
Also; there’s already a thread for Vic. So take it there, please and thank you.

@Scrabbleman  
The same reason why I didn’t tell anyone about my sexual assault when I was like ten until years later  
Fear. Either fear of reprisal or just dread. The guy is a famous voice actor who is way richer than her, why do you expect ?
 
@Ebalosus  
It’s not just women who are accusing, but also another male voice actor who claimed Vic intruded onto his space  
And with video proof
 
Vic really is the R Kelly/XXXtentacion for weebs

@Cyborg_pony
 
For me and my friends when discussing that, it’s a bit of a chicken-and-egg type question, where you wonder if the meth is an aggravating factor in that, or was she and/or her husband always that fucked up and were good at hiding it.

@Ebalosus  
The same was pondered in the video.

@Commune  
Fear of a voice actor?
 
I’m not even afraid of the PoTUS.

@Scrabbleman  
Good for you, but for others, facing up against a person who is richer and more famous, not to mention older, than you can be terrifying, just a thought  
I would like to add my SA was not like hers, nor was my perpetrator, the commonality however, was fear and the person was an older guy

Funny how all these allegations seem to fly out of nowhere 15 years later. Seems to be a special number for these folks.

@Lord Seraph  
There’s already a thread for this. I linked it in a pervious comment.

GG: Ian Miles Chungus a gud boi. He din du nuffin!  
Anti-GG: Hold my beer
 
Seriously, every time I throw the book at GG, their opponents come around and do something even more [vaccinated at birth]. The only reason I’m even talking about this is because yet again these chucklefucks are throwing me and the rest of Retake Mass Effect under the bus for something we didn’t instigate.

@Ebalosus  
Goood. Goood  

@Ebalosus  
They rehired Moviebob. That’s more then enough to never listen to Escapist.

@Cyborg_pony  
The Escapist: We want to be apolitical from now on  
Also The Escapist: >hires Movie “I’d Actually Love Eugenics If It Were My Team In Charge” Blob

@Exhumed Legume  
#NoBadTactics