Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@Cyborg_pony  
The wall would be useless and a waste of money

@Hypnosryan  
Not to mention it will take time for the wall to be completed. Maybe years, even if Trump runs for a second term.

@Hypnosryan  
Now with there being Airplanes and Ladders it’s easy to see the wall idea basically destroyed by something that can be bought at Home Depot.

@Cyborg_pony
 
“Unused land?” People live there! Homes and farms are not “unused land.”

@Cyborg_pony  
I don’t have a stance on whether unused property should be used without permission.
 
I only assess, not solve.

@Shirani  

 
>TheCollegeFix.com
 
Hmm….
 

 
Sorry, but I’m not gonna bother reading an article with an extreme right bias.

@MethidMan  
Really, they have an entirely different site for that?
 
That you actually think you need?
 
If you care for the conversation at all, you might wanna rethink that. If they’re so wrong, you have nothing to worry about. But you’ll have to find out and figure it out yourself.

yeah tell me there isn’t a bias against men…  
As a person has said  
“We’ve reached institutionalised class discrimination.  
“Beware of the college drop-out”  
Add this statement to the fact that men are increasingly underrepresented at university, are increasingly losing skilled labour based employment and are now retreating in to groups like those seen in charlottesville to vent their frustrations.  
We have the perfect storm here for civil war and openly justified mass white-male oppression.  
Holy fucking shit.”

@Fluttershy Studios  
If the state can use your property without your consent, you do not own anything. It’s not the right of the state to decide what they do with your property, because they are not the owners of that property, it’s as simple as that. Any law or action that violates this principle is an abomination and it’s a promise for the possibility of further, more egregious violations. If they would have asked beforehand and then negotiated compensation, there wouldn’t be any problem.
 
Imperfect, but better than the arbitrary whims of a totalitarian mindset operating on feelings.
 
@Dr. Eggman  
Generous compensation, double, triple the value of the property; I can’t imagine a case where the state didn’t have the budget for such things. Doesn’t save the sentimental value attached to the houses and it has the problem of entangled legalese, admittedly.
 
Would need more circumstantial information surrounding the construction plan to see what the situation is. Can’t initially see why the wall couldn’t be built circling away from the houses instead. I can’t necessarily blame Trump without knowing whose executive decision it was to contruct the wall through those properties. It sounds too simple to blame it on only a single politician.

@Turkeynomster  
He did make the decision to say “WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A WALL AND MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT”
 
So far he also wants the wall to be see through and be solar at the same time. So if you are following it’s a giant waste of money.

@Turkeynomster  
Well, the US government is an abomination then, because the landowers who refused to give up their property, when the barrier was being in the progress of being placed, were sued until the landowners gave up.

@Cyborg_pony  
>taking something they don’t even use  
They “own” it in the sense there’s a piece of paper that says they do and that’s it
 
@Cyborg_pony  
Giving houses to poor people vs demolishing them for some useless border wall

@Shirani  
>white-male oppression  
phht

@Commune  
If your only way to “Give” is to take, then why don’t you let the government take your things to give to poor people?
 
Besides wouldn’t the wall keep out people that would steal unused house to use as squalors?

@Shirani  
Now you’re an alarmist.

@Cyborg_pony  
Because I use the the things I own  
Land owners don’t

@Shirani  

 
Stop. You’re being desperate.

@Cyborg_pony  
Strawman! Where does Commune’s things come into play?

Seattle Protesters Getting Out Of Control
 
I’m sure there’s a Valid reason for them holding this man against his will. I guess he shouldn’t had worn that short skirt at night right?
 
Thanks for making the Alt. right grow even more, idiots.

@igotnopicks  
I can recognize that Trump is a major figure to blame, just not the only one. The executive decisions to achieve the border wall and the surrounding personel who planned its specific details are who I am most curious about, because those people always manage to slip through the public consciousness for the more convenient explanation of a single man run nation and scape goat.
 
@Fluttershy Studios  
The government should be treated as a necessary evil and an abomination to be condemned at all times, yes. That point is not the point of contention. It is about the specific lack of negotiation required for breaking said property rights between the owner and the state.

@BadgingBadger  
I’m not the one that said that tho.

@Cyborg_pony  
…can we just agree that protest violence of any kind is bad?  
I really don’t want this situation to devolve into people arguing over whether ANTIFA or the neo-nazis are worse. I acknowlege that violence was indulged from both sides.
 
@Shirani  
But you mentioned it as if you defend that statement.  
Just a few protests-gone-wrong don’t count as a civil war. There are no large, armed rebel groups claiming they’re the legitimate US government, and it’s likely there won’t be.

@Turkeynomster  
Eh, considering most of the land the landowners owned was just empty pasture that they walked on for exercise or for some other reason, I can agree the landowners should not have been so quick to protest, and try to compromise.

@Commune  

 
So then it’s okay to take the land to build the wall then?

@BadgingBadger  
not all civil wars are government vs government.