Cartoon/Western Animation General
Lord WyrmSpawN 
Lingering Wyvern
@Thanotos Omega
Bringing back bending, maybe.
Complete control of the avatar state, something Aang nearly gave up for his loved ones?
No.
Bringing back bending, maybe.
Complete control of the avatar state, something Aang nearly gave up for his loved ones?
No.
TheSupremePatriarch
@TheHappySpaceman
I think it’s because the creators seriously began to sue Aang. The Avatar being infallible really does begin with Aang. All of the other Avatars gave him the same advice concerning Ozai for example. Yangchen gives him the best advice, along the lines of “It’s not about you or your needs. Being the Avatar is about doing what’s best for the world. So stop being a selfish little prick.”
He ignores all of them and is proven right in the end.
The rock of plot contrivance magically gives Aang full control of the Avatar state, so he doesn’t have make the decision of that or Katara. They felt he “deserved” to have her in the end.
On a separate not, I find it interesting that Katara’s character is essentially destroyed after she hooks up with Aang.
Hell even adult Aang is straight up modeled after Dimartino, by their own admission too!SELF-INSERT
As for Korra, well she is written much like Aang in how the obstacles to her character growth are treated. She’s introduced as a powerful, aggressive warrior who has to navigate a time of peace, she’s not very spiritual so airbending is elusive to her, the looming conflict with the non-bender revolution is treated (at first) as this complex social issue about systemic oppression, a problem she can’t just punch her way out of.
The Non-bender thing is almost immediately made black and white because Amon and his Equalists are a bunch of violent psychopaths. Turns out it is a problem she can punch her way out of.
The airbending just sort of happens, I guess seeing Mako in trouble suddenly unlocked that?
When Korra gets her bending taken away, Aang (he is one with the Deus, he has BECOME the Deus) magically gives it all back and full control of the Avatar State and Energybending, in the same episode no less! She does no work whatsoever. She doesn’t have to change. The narrative changes for her.
That’s just the first book, but this pattern repeats.
I think it’s because the creators seriously began to sue Aang. The Avatar being infallible really does begin with Aang. All of the other Avatars gave him the same advice concerning Ozai for example. Yangchen gives him the best advice, along the lines of “It’s not about you or your needs. Being the Avatar is about doing what’s best for the world. So stop being a selfish little prick.”
He ignores all of them and is proven right in the end.
The rock of plot contrivance magically gives Aang full control of the Avatar state, so he doesn’t have make the decision of that or Katara. They felt he “deserved” to have her in the end.
On a separate not, I find it interesting that Katara’s character is essentially destroyed after she hooks up with Aang.
Hell even adult Aang is straight up modeled after Dimartino, by their own admission too!
As for Korra, well she is written much like Aang in how the obstacles to her character growth are treated. She’s introduced as a powerful, aggressive warrior who has to navigate a time of peace, she’s not very spiritual so airbending is elusive to her, the looming conflict with the non-bender revolution is treated (at first) as this complex social issue about systemic oppression, a problem she can’t just punch her way out of.
The Non-bender thing is almost immediately made black and white because Amon and his Equalists are a bunch of violent psychopaths. Turns out it is a problem she can punch her way out of.
The airbending just sort of happens, I guess seeing Mako in trouble suddenly unlocked that?
When Korra gets her bending taken away, Aang (he is one with the Deus, he has BECOME the Deus) magically gives it all back and full control of the Avatar State and Energybending, in the same episode no less! She does no work whatsoever. She doesn’t have to change. The narrative changes for her.
That’s just the first book, but this pattern repeats.
TheHappySpaceman 
Sweet F.A.
@TheSupremePatriarch
Avatar becomes more enjoyable if you just flat-out ignore the sequel comics. Can we all just agree to do that?
That said, The Lost Adventures were great.
Avatar becomes more enjoyable if you just flat-out ignore the sequel comics. Can we all just agree to do that?
That said, The Lost Adventures were great.
Thanotos Omega
@TheSupremePatriarch
All Aang did was transer his knowledge of Spirit Bending to her, so she could use it to overcome the fake spirit bending Amon uses, and Korra also accidently helped a would be dictator almost come to power, in book 2 she get’s played like a fiddle and spends half the season over compensating the other way and is also shown to be very bratty, which she grows out of, season 3 puts her through some scary shit, and she spends most of 4 being a complete train wreck and has to get help from her worst enemy to even be able to function again,
All Aang did was transer his knowledge of Spirit Bending to her, so she could use it to overcome the fake spirit bending Amon uses, and Korra also accidently helped a would be dictator almost come to power, in book 2 she get’s played like a fiddle and spends half the season over compensating the other way and is also shown to be very bratty, which she grows out of, season 3 puts her through some scary shit, and she spends most of 4 being a complete train wreck and has to get help from her worst enemy to even be able to function again,
Lord WyrmSpawN
Lingering Wyvern
@Thanotos Omega
I think ‘plot contrivance’ might be giving the rock too much credit.
The shock of a nearly grievous injury on the scar of another jogging a spiritual block out of place, i can by that.
Chi paths and shit.
Look, I ain’t saying it’s perfect.
I think ‘plot contrivance’ might be giving the rock too much credit.
The shock of a nearly grievous injury on the scar of another jogging a spiritual block out of place, i can by that.
Chi paths and shit.
Look, I ain’t saying it’s perfect.
Scrabbleman 
[screams in German]
@Thanotos Omega
I actually did like Zaheer because he’s a parallel to Team Avatar. And much like Team Avatar, everything he’s done is under his idea of freedom. It’s something he believes in so much, he’s willing to kill for. Unbeknownst to him, his idea of freedom is actually anarchy.
However, again like Team Avatar, he’s not alone in this. He has friends and family that support his cause, people he cares for and would protect. He lost everything trying to reach that dream, even his comrades, and you can see how he feels about it in prison.
He’s basically a hero with screwed ideals. He acts like one, people believe he is one, even though he’s fighting for the wrong cause.
I actually did like Zaheer because he’s a parallel to Team Avatar. And much like Team Avatar, everything he’s done is under his idea of freedom. It’s something he believes in so much, he’s willing to kill for. Unbeknownst to him, his idea of freedom is actually anarchy.
However, again like Team Avatar, he’s not alone in this. He has friends and family that support his cause, people he cares for and would protect. He lost everything trying to reach that dream, even his comrades, and you can see how he feels about it in prison.
He’s basically a hero with screwed ideals. He acts like one, people believe he is one, even though he’s fighting for the wrong cause.
Thanotos Omega
@Scrabbleman
exactly, he’s such a great villain, because he paralelas a hero so perfectly, and the moment when he “Enters the Void” is one of the most powerful in animation,
exactly, he’s such a great villain, because he paralelas a hero so perfectly, and the moment when he “Enters the Void” is one of the most powerful in animation,
Thanotos Omega
@igotnopicks
he had so much potential and it was all wasted, fortunately the LoK version of the Ember island players made him so fucking worthwhile!
he had so much potential and it was all wasted, fortunately the LoK version of the Ember island players made him so fucking worthwhile!
Background Pony #7581
No wonder Donald Duck has anger issues. He probably has PTSD from his Navy days, he has to raise 3 kids on 1 income, and the universe seems to go out of his way to make him as miserable as possible.
Background Pony #7581
They really tried to make cartoons as bland and inoffensive as possible in the 60s and 70s.
Oddball64
Normal is overrated
@Background Pony #64A4
They don’t call it the dark age of animation for nothing.
They don’t call it the dark age of animation for nothing.
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