DB WORKSHOP: Tag discussion

1. we’re not playing the “why me? why not him?” game, please do not make me explain why that is a total fallacy…It makes you look like you’re grasping at straws - it hurts your argument, which may already be perfectly rational on its own but you’re ruining it by bringing in not-so-sound reasons.  
   I don’t see any issues with “cool starry bra”. It refers to a specific underwear that some artists have put in their pics.  
   But suppose that wasn’t true, even if it was just a pun for bras with stars, that’d also be okay. We have a bunch of punny or in-joke tags.  
   What’s your beef with it? That it’s only on a few pics? We have tags that are on exactly ONE pic, and yet justified. (No, I think you’re just BSing. :/ )
    
   2-  
   You tagged >>7890 with “rape us punishment”. There is no indication of “punishment” there apart from the fact that DT could be called an antagonist type character.  
   If you’re gonna misuse your own tag then you should not expect any support from me.
    
   So yeah, don’t do stuff like that? (I want to help, but you’re making it kinda diffiuclt to care)
    
   That said! (back to the main topic)
    
   “it’s okay to do it in this case” seems to me highly subjective.  
   For example, on a “public use” pic, who told you that what the townsfolk is doing is okay? Similarly, how do you tell on a “normal” rape pic if the author is or is not on the side of the perpetrator?  
   Look at for example, >>9846 or >>7026. Neither of them fall under “punishment”, at least there is no visible clue there to justify adding that tag. But are you telling me that there is something there that tells you that these clearly depict it as wrong? Heck, both are grinning/apparently enjoying it!
    
   Now, I could see a case for a more filterable/specific “rape” tag, one that only covers the act itself (and not also mentioning/discussing it, ie. the Suggestive content). Though “rape” is currently only on 1400 pics out of 58,000 Explicit ones. (It also does not seem to be clear WHEN something is consensual. A bunch of Eplicit pics could be treated rape-y. So one could, perhaps, limit it to only the types of pics where it is clearly unwanted, and so your wish would be fulfilled too. We’d have to discuss that with the mods tho.)

1. It was a legitimate question. I didn’t understand the context behind it. I need to ask questions if I’m ever going to figure out how this is supposed to work, you know.
    
2. It looks to me like, given the fact that she’s wearing the bunny ears, the suggestion is that being raped is supposed to be comeuppance for her behavior in Apple Family Reunion - in that episode, her being made to wear the bunny suit at the end served the same purpose.
    
   “Highly subjective”? How? Absent context, it’s very simple; if a justification is given for why it’s okay to rape this character, and nobody seems upset by this other than the victim, it’s crossed the line.
    
   9846 and 7026 aren’t even relevant. Of course the rapist characters are enjoying it. They’re sadistic rapists. As you just said, however, neither presents any evidence that the rape is considered a punishment for anything, or justified in any way. That doesn’t match. I am only looking at the ones that portray it as justified. The tag is, as tags are supposed to be, about what’s happening in the image, not about the artist’s opinions. Death of the author must apply here. It doesn’t matter if the artist intended to say “it’s okay to rape people as punishment for something”, only if the picture communicates that message.

@Background Pony #B3BC
well, DUH. its the Tag discussion thread, the idea its to improve the site’s tags.

one word should be nuked as well methinks. sounds like a REALY pointless tag.

@barbeque
that sinfuly sexy thing sounds more like “explicit bedroom eyes” to me, kinda pointless, but whatever.

all the “flowers crown” thing should be allised into just ‘flowers on hair’ and leave “wreath” to the christmast thing.

by the by, whats the general tag-mod’s opinion on the boob names for chars? (titlestia, ballona, etc)
i personaly dont like them, should just go whit “big breast” for simplicity.

@paluzna
I think we don’t have a need to set it at 4 exactly (why 4? why not 5? or 8?) but I think it could be helpful to consider that mouthpiece images (or “old banner”…whatever) are always one complete sentence. (eg. “Kill all men!” is included in this definition but not in yours, so I think approaching it like this is better.

I’d rather define text as several sentences, and words as not a full sentence. (What to use for the in between, I haven’t got a clue.)

 
mouthpiece can have old banners, but old banners don’t necessarily need be mouthpieces. thought i made that clear by now.  
which is the mouthpiece?  
vs  
as for text, the related tags are  
one word, dialogue, quote, mouthpiece, caption, image macro, subtitles, metaphor gif, exploitable meme, vulgar,  
i think one word should stay as it is, one word.  
why not just make two words, etc?

@Background Pony #B3BC
So who’s gonna be the lucky one to tag all the missing “old banner“s? ^^
mouthpiece,-old banner

(I can also do it. I think once it is properly tagged awareness about “old banner” & use is going to increase too.

 
i’ll do some dozen pages for today.  
but i’ve found a few pictures i want to untag as ‘mouthpiece
 
 
i mean, is this a mouthpiece? i just added ‘motivational’ . should i remove the mouthpiece tag for ones that aren’t sjw? if mouthpiece isn’t exclusive to sjw, then i can only imagine how many caption images and image macros could also mean mouthpiece  

2. It looks to me like…

“Highly subjective”? How?

@Background Pony #66F9
I guess if anyone has some time and wants to make him/her/itself useful, search for appledash,-shipping and either remove the appledash tag or readd the shipping,lesbian stuff again (except for maybe some stupid tags exploitable memes or something).

Futa charakters are basically females with a dick, aren’t they? So, is it right to tag Futa on Futa with the “lesbian” tag, […]

• = I did look into this, but as of now the server would have to load ALL the images and their current tags for every tagchange, and see whether it needs to be filtered or not, which is extremely expensive. Like I said, it’s fairly slow even with the few mods and admins that can actually access it (probably still missing some index somewhere) so we really can’t handle thousands of people accessing it.  
  It’s not something I can fix easily either – it’d require a rewrite of pretty much the entire way tag changes are handled.
   
  -> unicorn twilight  
  Quite a lot of different people – looking at the 20 most recent removals, I can see 2 Background Ponies and 5 different users spread over the past 2 months – but what was this tag for anyway? I can’t think of it having any use for people that don’t like pt (those can filter pt) and people that don’t mind pt can just search for ts,-pt. Maybe it was for pictures that have multiple twilights, of which at least one princess and at least one unicorn?