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Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 233

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LemonDrop
Duckinator - Same nonsensical quacks in every pond
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab

C++ Crazed
@Parallel Black
Sure you didn’t say that exactly but even suggesting it is the norm is wrong. Again, only noob programmers do that. Code is there for you to reinterpret and inspire the stuff you write, directly copy pasting it is just bad practice and shows one has really no idea what they are doing.
Would the nuance in saying “the norm in the art world is to trace images” really change how you interpret that?

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 229

Parallel Black
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Non-Fungible Trixie -
A Really Classy Artist - 250+ images under their artist tag
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Friendly Griffon - For helping others attend the fifth anniversary party

@LemonDrop
Jfc, I didn’t say that was the only thing the coding community does. I said it was the norm. As in, you can go on literally any site to do with programming and find thread after thread of people posting their own code in order to ask questions or answer them. I’m not going to take you seriously if you stick the worst interpretation of my words in my mouth.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 228

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 227

Parallel Black
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Non-Fungible Trixie -
A Really Classy Artist - 250+ images under their artist tag
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Friendly Griffon - For helping others attend the fifth anniversary party

@The Smiling Pony
???
In which line was I dismissive about coding?
The reason I brought up the leak example was because of Lemon’s idea that any art posted online is free game to do with as one wishes, and they compared it to coding, so I used a coding-related example.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 226

LemonDrop
Duckinator - Same nonsensical quacks in every pond
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab

C++ Crazed
@Parallel Black
Programming is art, and no copying code is not the norm only bad programmers do that. Using ideas from other people’s code is done though especially with math and other complex algorithms which are infeasible to derive yourself, and this is “taking inspiration” from other people’s work by building on top of it when you incorporate such ideas into your own code.
Also no, people open source their code to also help their fellow skilled programmers not just less skilled ones. Being able to see the source helps people understand the software better, fix bugs in it, and use those ideas in their own software.
Finally it depends on if you care about copyright or not. Secrecy is not copyright. You have the right to keep code private yes, but if you post it publicly online then it’s fair game for anyone to download (if you are like me and do not believe in copyright, because you cannot own information). Art however inherently requires posting to the internet usually for people to see so it’s always fair game to copy (though this does not mean you need to publish the PSD file).
However even if you do care about copyright, you are ignoring fair use. Under fair use people may use copyrighted work with absolutely 0 permission from the owner, as Wikipedia explains:
Fair use is a doctrine in United States law that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder.
Things like Google indexing webpages has been ruled as fair use as the act of using this data to provide a great service is considered transformative, obviously Google is not claiming they own the works presented they are just indexing it to make it accessible. Similarly in my view the usage of art in AI is transformative just like a human learning from it is, each image very slightly influences the AI’s ability to produce art as it learns from billions of examples. If AI learning from art isn’t fair use then well I don’t know how you expect people to learn from things either.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 225

The Smiling Pony
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

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@Parallel Black
That’s an incredibly dismissive view on coding. Sure, lots of people just copy code around, just as lots of people just open up photoshop and move photos around or make generic UX icons; but to a lot of coders, their work is unique, expressive, and art.
I’m not immediately seeing the difference between a programmer reading someone’s code and understanding how someone else solved a problem or being inspired by an out of the box solution, and an artist liking how another artist draws chest fluff on foxes and using the same on ponies.
Leaks/piracy are a different issue altogether, that’s taking a work outright and creating a loss of income from that exact work (aside, but potential loss of income from AI is something I do see as a concern, same with anything automated).
A more appropriate comparison would be one studio creating a successful game and then another copying many of the game design / mechanics to make a different game. And I’m very happy that almost everyone thinks that’s a good thing, actually.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 224

Parallel Black
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Non-Fungible Trixie -
A Really Classy Artist - 250+ images under their artist tag
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Friendly Griffon - For helping others attend the fifth anniversary party

@LemonDrop
How is the world of coding comparable to the world of art? You don’t gain inspiration from a page of code and then create your own thing based on that, you note down the methods used and then adapt that code to your own project to make it function or make it more efficient. Compared to that, we don’t take someone’s picture without consent and then trace over it to create a better picture, we take a glance at it and then draw our own version of the same idea, from the ground up. Copying and then adapting code has been the norm in the coding world for ages now, whereas tracing is still seen as a bad thing to this day.
Also, a programmer posts their code online for the explicit purpose of helping less skilled programmers, but I don’t post my artwork to serve as tutorials—that would technically count as a misuse of my art, but it’s not like anyone would ever throw a fit over something like that; it’s only if someone directly traced over it or made some kind of unwanted edit that that sort of use becomes objectionable.
An artist’s creations are not automatically open-source just because you think they should be, and a company, even a shitty one, still has the right to keep their code to themselves. Just because some hacker posts a half-finished game online for everyone to download, that does not mean the gaming company does not own that game, just like how when I post art on this site, that does not mean I do not own it.
Derpi can “use” my art for its own purposes, such as displaying it on things like the 3-day top scoring or featured box, or inside of a user’s watch feed. Users can “use” my art by sorting into galleries or linking to and from it during discussion. None of that implies they or the site own it. A gaming company has every right to be angry when a leak happens. I see zero reason why the misuse of someone’s creations shouldn’t warrant the same response.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 223

LemonDrop
Duckinator - Same nonsensical quacks in every pond
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab

C++ Crazed
@Parallel Black
That’s the thing about fair use, you don’t need to give people your permission. People really need to stop thinking they have some god-given right to control every aspect of stuff they make and post publicly on the internet. That is not how things work and has never been how things work. Services like Google would never exist if they couldn’t aggregate large amounts of “copyrighted” data for the purpose of providing a service (e.g. being able to search by text or image across the entire internet).
If the world you wanna live in though makes it so nothing good can exist because everyone is tied up in licensing debates and meaningless arguments about ownership then shrug, glad we’re not in that world. We already live in suboptimal information hell since things like DMCA /are/ a thing albeit not all-powerful thanks to exceptions like fair use. Really information is intended to be free as it is not something you can own, and other fields recognize the benefits of this sort of philosophy. In software development for instance open sourcing stuff with a permissive license is the norm until you get into corporate hell land as people recognize that everyone building off of eachother’s work and learning from it is far more useful than trying to restrict who can use something.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 222

Parallel Black
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Non-Fungible Trixie -
A Really Classy Artist - 250+ images under their artist tag
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Friendly Griffon - For helping others attend the fifth anniversary party

@The Smiling Pony
I didn’t give anyone permission to use my stuff to create this tech. I don’t care how happy you feel to have whatever you’ve made be part of that. When it comes to how artists feel about AI, you are in the tiny minority.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 221

The Smiling Pony
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

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@Background Pony #CD82
tbh it was mostly a joke. Mostly.
I understand very well the fear that mass AI production will have an economic impact on artists, same as every other form of automation has had in the past. And I understand that people feel there’s a lack of “soul” or human touch to AI stuff that dilutes the value of “real art”. And also that a lot of people pushing out AI stuff are… not very discerning (to put it mildly) and just bloat the space with trash.
But the reason I got into making art was to create things for other people to use (and enjoy) for free, the reason I kept with this site was to provide a service for others to enjoy art. So the one aspect you raised as upsetting is one I just don’t get. The idea that something I made wasn’t just enjoyed in itself, but ends up affecting how future things are made is honestly kind of nice…
@-Craft-
I was pretty surprised some months back when I saw how popular PonyXL had become for very non-pony/furry content…

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Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 220

-Craft-
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Artist -

@Parallel Black
Models may have “all the images possible so far”, but they’re horribly categorized and limited by the language layer.
There may be 20k different images of The Mona Lisa in different styles, in 3D, cropped, different quality, alterations, etc, and most of them will be categorized as just “mona lisa”, when each should have paragraphs of details written out for the model to actually understand a fraction what each really is.
Yep. The pony SDXL model, which has now become the most successful 2d/anime/cartoon SDXL model ever with over 130,000 users, did so on the back of using a visual assistant to completely retag its data set. The next version is tentatively targeting a 4x growth in its dataset. Cleaning up datasets and developing solid tagging practices is clearly the way to go. People didn’t even believe good SDXL models were possible until Pony showed the way.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 219

Background Pony #CD82
Big “I paid my student loans through hard work and frugal living, why should kids now get their debt forgiven?” energy.
That’s not what it is at all.


@The Smiling Pony
Personally, I’d be chuffed that something I worked on hard is now helping other people be happier.
I have no objection to making people happier. But if it is going to come from my effort and work, it should also be mine to give, not someone else’s to take.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 218

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Background Pony #CD82
@Ciaran
I’ve seen plenty of artists pushing this sort of thing, but yes obviously not all artists are the same. I just find it interesting that some non-negligible amount of artists do support such a thing.
I don’t understand why you’d find their reaction confusing. These individuals (likely) spent a considerable amount of time and effort developing their artistic skills and honing a style, and someone took that and gave it away for anyone and everyone to copy, no work of their own involved. I’d be upset too if someone did that to me.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 216

The Smiling Pony
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

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@Parallel Black
Models may have “all the images possible so far”, but they’re horribly categorized and limited by the language layer.
There may be 20k different images of The Mona Lisa in different styles, in 3D, cropped, different quality, alterations, etc, and most of them will be categorized as just “mona lisa”, when each should have paragraphs of details written out for the model to actually understand a fraction what each really is.
And that’s just for the current type of tech, there will undoubtably been new developments, some that may not even require prior real world training data and can train on its own creations and categorizations iteratively at unthinkable speeds.

As for what I said about “Krita”, it’s a different path entirely where the thing is trained on videos of watching people draw, trying things on its own millions of times, and figuring out how to draw a circle using the same tools humans use. Much like some current robotics, or some game bots have been made for research.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 215

Parallel Black
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Non-Fungible Trixie -
A Really Classy Artist - 250+ images under their artist tag
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Friendly Griffon - For helping others attend the fifth anniversary party

@Parallel Black
For now. Even ignoring that the quality of generations will improve (just look at the jumps over the last 3 years), eventually there’ll be programs that can straight up open Krita and draw a generated image stroke by stroke, layer by layer, after learning from thousands of hours of speedpaint and livestream videos.
Correct me if I’m wrong here:
From what I’ve heard the quality increase for these models requires an exponentially larger and larger image set, and that we’re pretty much already at the plateau, where all of or most of the content on the internet has already been taken account of. Maybe there’ll be an entirely new method of automatically generating images at some point in the next year or two, but for now, what we have currently is what we’ve got for the foreseeable future, in terms of AI quality.

Site and Policy » AI Content Help- Ask questions, discuss, comment, complain » Post 214

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Ciaran
ラ・ゼッタ - For supporting the site
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

Senior Moderator
友情は魔法だ
Why have artists suddenly …
They are neither an artist, or a spokesperson for artists. They are only representing their own need for … I’m guessing attention and drama and to be at the locus of some sort of “AI boogaloo” or some shit like that.
Anyway, if you want to talk to an artist about it, or find out what artists think, that’s not the right place to look.

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