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at least one person has remembered the existence of the relevant tag and enjoyed it enough to think it was a worthy example to have been tagged

The subjective opinionated nature is exactly why they’re useful …
has it been a problem in the past …

The subjective opinionated nature is exactly why they’re useful

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I’m not giving definitions to sexy tags.

@LightningBolt

Attempting to use the objective fave/score numbers as a metric for subjective quality has two problems:

1. Sorting by score gives aggressively average results. The drawings themselves may be technically impressive, but it often feels like a bunch of artists all chasing the same style.
2. Sorting by faves means you suddenly have a bunch of fetish tags to filter.

As far as moderating abuse of those specific tag groups, has it been a problem in the past? Even if they’re subjective, it shouldn’t be too hard to assign usage of a tag on a given image into one of four buckets.

1. A prime example of what the tag is used for
2. Not a good example, but not wrong enough to remove
3. Different strokes for different folks: the tagger did nothing punishable by using it, but it’s not what others are likely looking for—remove it
4. Are you kidding, man? Misclicks and abuse.

riding and X on Y action tags

I will concede that the specific case of dragons riding ponies and ponies riding dragons are strong candidates to be separate, due to spike riding twilight otherwise burying images where it’s the pony riding a dragon. However, most other riding tags seem redundant at tagging which species is the driver and which is being ridden.
By your logic, would seeing a hippogriff on top of a kirin really make someone cry who wanted to search for a kirin riding a hippogriff? Dragons & ponies are the only ones I can think of where there are legitimate burial issues involved.

When it comes to “action,” the more specific the tag, the more accurately it gets applied. human on pony action may as well be merged with pony on human action, as both are de facto synonyms for pony, human, interspecies (likewise with human female on mare and mare on human female). However, stallion on human male and human male on stallion both are used correctly.

The way characters are tagged gives plenty of off-target results. There’s no consistent way to tag which characters are in focus (or at least the foreground) and which are background details. They’re no more than 10% of images, but there are plenty of images around here that look like character tag vandalism from the thumbnail but the character is clearly present when viewed at full size.
A better example would be searching bon bon, butt and getting an image where there’s no obvious Bon Bon on screen.

If characters could be tagged as subject: or background:, there wouldn’t be a need for character specific butt tags. Simply subject:bon bon, butt focus ought to do the trick. Even if it returns an image where it’s Lyra’s butt, Bon Bon will still be important enough to the composition not to be an extraneous result.

Getting rid of these tags will do nothing to increase the “basic” demographic tags.

plot is pony-only

There is zero use to those tags as whatever additions they have are 100% subjective and opinionated.

1. Sorting by score gives aggressively average results. The drawings themselves may be technically impressive, but it often feels like a bunch of artists all chasing the same style.
2. Sorting by faves means you suddenly have a bunch of fetish tags to filter.

1. A prime example of what the tag is used for
2. Not a good example, but not wrong enough to remove
3. Different strokes for different folks: the tagger did nothing punishable by using it, but it’s not what others are likely looking for—remove it
4. Are you kidding, man? Misclicks and abuse.

riding and X on Y action tags

Literally a case of the tags being pointless outside of the specific situation where a person would throw a fit if they looked for bonbon, butt and saw Lyra’s butt instead.

Did you really just reply to “I find these useful, here is why I find these useful” (regarding tags with thousands of tagged posts by many users) with “no, they are actually useless”? How, even..?

3. That list has me thinking about the thicket of riding and X on Y action tags. The “action” tags are probably better served by X, Y, interspecies, explicit because human on griffon action is distinct from gryphon on human action (but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.

I’d argue those are few of the actually GOOD and USEFUL compound tags, and all the other garbage is just that, fucking garbage.

So, some hyper-specific, low-use tags meet your approval and other hyper-specific, low-use tags don’t? I mean, I also feel the same way - just that it seems utterly incompatible with your argument that because there are bigger tagging issues to pay attention to, small tagging interests should be completely ignored.

Ciaran:
OH   MY GOD

🐴: 1. Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-imply butt focus?

LightningBolt: You cannot alias something into two tags.

🐴: 2. “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of the stupid sexy character (or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. The sexy and adorable tags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.

There is zero use to those tags as whatever additions they have are 100% subjective and opinionated.

For me, it’s because character tags do nothing to specify which character has focus and the solo tag excludes too many images that happen to contain background characters. To continue your bon butt example, even bon bon, butt focus, solo focus will return plenty of off-target results where Bon Bon is a background pony and it’s somepony else’s butt in focus.

Literally a case of the tags being pointless outside of the specific situation where a person would throw a fit if they looked for bonbon, butt and saw Lyra’s butt instead.

3. That list has me thinking about the thicket of riding and X on Y action tags. The “action” tags are probably better served by X, Y, interspecies, explicit because human on griffon action is distinct from gryphon on human action (but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.

I’d argue those are few of the actually GOOD and USEFUL compound tags, and all the other garbage is just that, fucking garbage.

Are these literally all about clothing swaps?

Most of these make sense, even if it’s a bit of a killjoy not to be able to follow the drama in the comments tag. However, what’s the story of solo oc being blackholed instead of merely aliased to oc only, solo?

sonata donk

I strongly agree with Ciaran’s mention that some kind of standardization is needed for these. May I propose a plot: prefix. Perhaps butt focus: if “plot” is too non-boring.

To me, there’s a discrepancy in the way the same word, “focus”, is being used. In my opinion, “character’s butt” tags indicate “if this character’s butt interests you, this image may be something you’d want to see”.

1. Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-imply butt focus?
2. “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of the stupid sexy character (or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. The sexy and adorable tags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.

@Ciaran

invalid tag

3. That list has me thinking about the thicket of riding and X on Y action tags. The “action” tags are probably better served by X, Y, interspecies, explicit because human on griffon action is distinct from gryphon on human action (but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.

butt tags

(answered the bits about standardized naming & the baffling lack of implication for butt focus on the character butt tags) in replying to 52BA.

use of butt tags

For me, it’s because character tags do nothing to specify which character has focus and the solo tag excludes too many images that happen to contain background characters. To continue your bon butt example, even bon bon, butt focus, solo focus will return plenty of off-target results where Bon Bon is a background pony and it’s somepony else’s butt in focus.

tag blacklist

sonata donk

To me, there’s a discrepancy in the way the same word, “focus”, is being used. In my opinion, “character’s butt” tags indicate “if this character’s butt interests you, this image may be something you’d want to see”.

1. Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-imply butt focus?
2. “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of the stupid sexy character (or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. The sexy and adorable tags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.

invalid tag

1. Thank you for providing a concrete example of the nonsense.
2. Are these literally all about clothing swaps? I only saw blackwashing and fimroots’ artist tag as the non-clothes items in the alias list.
3. That list has me thinking about the thicket of riding and X on Y action tags. The “action” tags are probably better served by X, Y, interspecies, explicit because human on griffon action is distinct from gryphon on human action (but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.
4. That list further cements my stereotype that EqG-exclusive enjoyers have the highest density of special needs cases out of all the segments of this fandom.

butt tags

use of butt tags

That tag is “sonata donk” (750)

I thought Derpibooru didn’t do the “invalid tag” thing

Ciaran: […] Invalid Tag […]

I thought Derpibooru didn’t do the “invalid tag” thing besides a small blacklist…yet it’s been there for about a year…how haven’t I noticed?

And when you look at -butt tags, you quickly see we don’t have similar tags for other characters - even popular ones. For example there’s no sonata butt tag.

And should that tag be implying butt focus or not? And if not, then what’s the purpose of butt focus?

Background Pony #7C7A: What is the tag/English name for this kind of striped roll?

People barely even label things as pony, let alone what’s going on there.

What is the tag/English name for this kind of striped roll?

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Are the butt focus tags any better than the boob tags? Whose butt(s) are in focus seems like it should be at least be more objective than breast sizes. Then again, nopony ever went broke underestimating the average user.

Staff can view how frequently tags are watched, spoilered, and hidden, right? Uses there are where I’d go to find whether the community finds them useful.

unless you mean you want to find specifically EqG Pinkie Pie, not pony Pinkie Pie, plus someone else who is a pony

Naturally, topics that’ll get brought up in General Tag Discussion are going to be new or less clear, and approachable in scope.

Background Pony #7C7A: Can you write a query for EQG or humanized Dash and pony Pinkie where Pinkie says “I didn’t expect that!”?

🐴: 1. Hide squicks. Generally don’t need the specific tags for these. I can’t think of many people who would only want to hide Twilight Sparkle with giant jugs, but are otherwise fine with the purple pony or big-breasted anthros.

IMO, the biggest missed opportunity from before I joined here is that Pinkie Pie (EqG) isn’t a separate character tag from Pinkie Pie. Or, alternately, there wasn’t a tag for FiM-style ponies in widespread use back then (to allow for searches for EqG && FiM to find EqG+pony interactions).

LightningBolt]: Counterpoint: Every single boob related tag is useless as people tag them on literally any size breasts and defeat the point of them and make all of them pointless

Ciaran: @LightningBolt is right. That shouldn’t even need to be said, she is basically one of the gods of tagging on this site.

Just getting the useful tags on images is incredibly difficult sometimes. Hell - I forgot to tag Sonata as female on a recent upload. So - maybe let’s spend some energy fixing the misapplied or underused tags that affect thousands of images, instead of the tags that are only on, at best, two dozen.

1. Hide squicks. Generally don’t need the specific tags for these. I can’t think of many people who would only want to hide Twilight Sparkle with giant jugs, but are otherwise fine with the purple pony or big-breasted anthros.
2. Cut down on chaff. Here is where Derpi’s tagging culture, more than site functionality, is leagues ahead of e621. If the niche tag is undertagged, that’s OK, so long as it’s often used. The point isn’t to keep them all out because seeing one will ruin your day; it’s to increase the signal-to-noise ratio. If your usual gooning query drops from 65% large knocker Twilight down to 10%, the tag was useful.
3. Gooning session. This is basically the opposite of 2. It doesn’t matter if the tag is missing many images; as long as it’s already sufficiently popular, it can be used as the base of a more specific query. You want some huge honker coomer slop, but now it’s time to refine the search so that the well-endowed Twilight shares the image with Applejack or Lonestar.
4. Building a watch list. Functions similarly to 3, but generally not used as the base search for future refinements. Watching large breasts, ts, (solo || straight) might get you close. I’ve found niche tags have their greatest use here.
5. Finding that one image you sort of remember from 5 years ago. Here’s where the niche tags being undertagged is a problem. You append headlight sparkle to the query b/c you remember it featured Twilight with some notable honkers, but it returns no relevant results due to the uploader not adding that specific tag. In fact, they added no tag about relative breast size at all. Removing that tag from the query returns 2600 results. Even if you have the time to scroll through them all, is it a worthwhile use of Derpi’s bandwidth budget to serve all the off-target images?