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Tbh, I don’t think there’s a way to make it more sympathetic, particularly while keeping all else the same. I think that eliciting sympathy was NOT the real goal of revealing the backstory. It shows how Starlight came to see cutie marks in a negative light; it highlights how sophomoric her philosophy was by having the experience occur while she was a child, before she had matured emotionally and mentally; and it nicely juxtaposes how she was metaphorically stuck in the past as she had literally been every time Twilight entered a new timeline until she was physically brought into lifeless Equestria. Cutie Re-Mark spent all the episode showing that Starlight had crossed the moral event horizon, assuming that her methods of induction into the philosophy of her Village of Equality weren’t convincing enough, so to try eliciting sympathy right after leaving the wasteland is pretty silly. As long as she acted with agency, nothing that had happened to her could make Starlight’s evil justified; shitty experiences don’t excuse being a shitty person.
 
Because of this, a backstory that looked like a raspy plea for sympathy at face value alone seems more like a front in retrospect, like the artifice is deceiving you, just it was designed to do. Detailing more of the steps between the catalyst and her debut really wouldn’t justify her anymore than what was shown, but it would give more to objectively point to and understand; not that speculation should be spurned since imagination is a wonderful tool, which we’ve used for other ex-villains. I’ve honestly never been bothered by Starlight’s backstory, and certainly never moved to anger over it, and the fact that even Twilight calls Starlight’s takeaways from the experience ridiculous, and even told her what she should have done in response to her catalyst- to try again instead of isolating herself- tells me that the writers weren’t utterly unaware of what they were doing.
 
Starlight’s backstory is about escalation due to poor coping, and a lot of people have coped badly with stressors in their lives. We’ve all been immature and overreactive at some point. Not as many can say that they let things escalate to the degree Starlight did, no, but the solution to halt or prevent escalation is simple, at least to say: let go of the past, and keep moving forward. It can be developmentally stunting not to.

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Basically: show more to it. Maybe we see more, or at least one of the steps that led up to her debut. Perhaps witnessing her in isolation, justifying her ideals to herself. That, and showing how each, or one alteration to the timeline led to its tangent timeline, would improve S5e25-26. As it is now, though, I doubt her childishness and pettiness were accidental at all.

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Maybe if she was an orphan who tragically lost her parents and Sunburst really was the only pony that she had close to her…

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It was obvious to me that Sunburst leaving her was just the first push down a slippery slope of sadness, anger, and hurt. I just wish we had seen more of that slope.

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@gingerninja666  
I definitely don’t like it as a start because, to me, it undermines her entire presence as a villain and cheapens her entire motive. Like, you could argue that the intent was to make her petty, but that pettiness is worlds less interesting than the three-dimensional villain she is without it :P

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gingerninja666
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@Badumsquish
 
what if it was a START?
 
I imagine this:
 
The breakup happens pretty much the same as it’s shown in the show. We SEE Starlight make efforts to keep in contact with Sunburst, but he never answers (at first because he’s trying to fit in in school, then because he was ashamed at how much he was failing, especially knowing how strong Starlight is). Starlight actually tries to follow Sunburst to Celestia’s School, but fails the entrance exam because without Sunburst’s guidance, she thinks she can’t do magic that well (as I think was implied in Crystalling).
 
Time passes. Starlight can’t really make herself open up to others out of fear of being hurt again. She just naturally avoids ponies. Not wanting to blame Sunburst for what happened, she finds herself focusing in on the thing that initially caused it all. Cutie Marks. She doesn’t instantly go “Cutie Marks = Evil” but as she watches ponies from afar she starts to see problems that arise. Like, maybe she sees a situation similar to Apple Bloom and Twist in her school. How Twist really did kinda move on from Apple Bloom after getting her cutie mark. Little things like that which reinforce the inkling she’s starting to have. Why DOES society have to be like this?
 
Maybe a pony in her school wishes that they could give up their mark and start over again with something else, and when Starlight tries to help them, she comes out with a very crude version of the Cutie mark removal spell she eventually uses. This causes her own mark to appear. Star realizes just how powerful she is, and realizes that she could’ve gone to Celestia’s school all along, but because of the stupid as all hell way Cutie MArks work, they missed each other until this moment. This moment of her “Destiny”. It galvinizes Starlight and she really starts to believe the stupidity of Cutie Marks. So it still has that emotional beginning. That core. But a true belief sprouted around it.

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@gingerninja666  
Have him still mean that much to her, but have her turn to villainy be why they’ve been driven apart like he still cares about her but won’t have any part of what she’s doing. As a cause to her villainy it’s insultingly simple and cheap and creates plot holes, but as the result of her villainy it works way better :D

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@Badumsquish
 
No, because I like how much he means to her. Like, how desperate and sad she got in Uncommon Bond thanks to the idea that they’ve grown apart. It was like her beliefs from Cutie MAp were coming true again before her eyes. That differences inevitably drive people apart.
 
I feel like there’s a way to have him be someone she had a massive womanly hard on for while also having her descent to full villainy be better handled.

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@gingerninja666  
Simple. Introduce him as an acquaintance of Starlight’s in the following season. Her knowing of him and being the reason he gets enlisted to help could have been her first non-villainous act and could have also been “proof” that she had good in her: that villain or not she actually had friends. :P

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@Badumsquish
 
I think both things happened. Starlight abandoned her belief because Twilight proved it wrong. During her breakdown several things are said.
 
Twilight Sparkle: Starlight, you're right! I don't know what you went through! But I do know you can't do this! I've seen where this leads, and so have you!  
Starlight Glimmer: I only saw what you showed me! Who knows what'll really happen?  
Twilight Sparkle: I've seen it a dozen times! Things don't turn out well in Equestria without my friends!  
Starlight Glimmer: Ugh! What's so special about your friends?! How can a group of ponies that are so different be so important?!  
Twilight Sparkle: The differences between me and my friends are the very things that make our friendship strong!  
Starlight Glimmer: I thought Sunburst and I were the same. But we turned out different, and it tore our friendship apart!
 
Now, I’m not saying it was done perfectly, that’s why I came to this thread in the first place, but you can see they were trying to link the cutie mark belief to her other issues. Her belief was that friendships built on differences are hollow and doomed to failure, but Twilight and her friends disprove that. Based on how their friendship is the only reason Equestria even exists. Her belief is shattered and her own magic backed it up. Cutie marks CAN lead to strong friendships, so the problem must be her. Then twilight offers her hope. She doesn’t promise her friends, she just tells her to try.

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@gingerninja666  
I stand by how if that was true she wouldn’t have abandoned her anti-cutie mark crusade at the promise of getting new friends (which really has nothing to do with her feelings on cutie marks), nor would she have needed the hollow backstory to begin with :P

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But that’s the thing. I don’t think she was consciously lying. I don’t think she created her village while thinking “Ah, everything I’m saying is a load of bollocks, I just want to lash out at the world.”
 
I think she went to bed each night THINKING she was helping them.

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@gingerninja666  
The irony is that would have made her much more sympathetic of a character. A character doing bad things because he genuinely believes he’s doing right is not only utterly terrifying, but actually means they’re at heart a good person. :P
 
@Broken Adam  
I have a friend who calls that “The Easy Button”, because it’s an easy and quickly fixable way to give someone an easy and quick “sympathetic” backstory. Of course, it kind of ignores the undeniable fact that someone who would spend 10+ years of their life remorselessly making other people suffer because of one little “tragedy” in their life is a pretty objectively evil and hollow person :P

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“the main character’s ideals are based on logic and facts, the villains is based on emotion and thus invalidated” which is worse than evil for the sake of it

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My main problem with it was that I think we needed to see more of Starlight’s descent after Sunburst left her. I actually believe she did believe in her goal to rid the world of cutie marks, to some extent, and I would’ve liked to see that progression from despair at someone she loved leaving her, to her deciding that cutie marks are the problem, to seeing that belief be reinforced somehow.

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Totally. They could have dropped like the entire 10 minutes or so from the end of part 2, replaced it with that, and ended on her saying the line “I’m ready to take whatever punishment you feel is fair” :D

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@Badumsquish  
Yeah that would have worked nicely, though it probably also would have helped if there were less universes altogether.
 
Personally I kind of like the idea of her getting a universe exactly how she wanted it and then her going mad from the revelation it wasn’t the paradise she envisioned and is going insane both from the fact everything she’s worked for was a lie and also she has no way of fixing things

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@EotD  
I would have had her and Twilight get stuck together in the altered futures and have them team up for survival and to try and get back home. They could have shown an entirely sympathetic side of Starlight without even changing the fact that she was a villain. Then over the course of the two parters have her and Twilight begin to empathize with one another, have Starlight begin to see the error of her ways, and ask for forgiveness and a second chance in the end :D

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