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@ᎶㄖҜㄩ 乃ㄥ卂匚Ҝ
Ah, that old thing…

@CaptainXtra
I think a hunting thread already exists.

Does this place double as a “Hunting Thread” or is there a dedicated one for that?

Bought another 686+, this time with a 4” barrel.

Even working in modern factories give people hearing damage sometimes, and that’s much quieter than gun shots. Ear protection is necessary if people hear it too often, like range staffs. But being a police or soldier is much more than just shooting. It’s just one of many skills in their training, so they don’t necessarily hear gun shots all the time.

@CaptainXtra
In the past, soldiers were supposed to “get used to loud noises”. Today we know that it means hearing damage. Sometimes they did plug their ears with wax, cotton, spent brass or other stuff though.

Nowadays gun users wear either ear muffs, ear plugs, and/or use suppressors. If they don’t, they are leveling up their tinnitus.

Of course, people who carry (including cops) don’t wear ear protection all the time because they rightly assume that the chance of actually using the gun is very low. Same for hunters, who only put on earpro when actually shooting.

@CaptainXtra
@ᎶㄖҜㄩ 乃ㄥ卂匚Ҝ
And ear plugs.

@CaptainXtra
Hearing a loud noise once in a while does very little damage (if any) to your hearing. It’s constant loud noises that you need to be worried about.

How do Cops, Soldiers, Hunters, and general Gun Nuts not go deaf over the years?

A 9mm bullet going off alone is already enough to make most regular folks get shaken up, so imagine fellas using long guns regularly having their ears assaulted.

I don’t exactly see ear protection on every single Gun User all the time either.

Spent the morning watching Scott I found this pretty funny.

@CaptainXtra
Not to mention the quietness. That’s why crossbow still has its place in hunting or military operations.

@CaptainXtra
I’d say knives.

With arrows you get your ammo back, rip it out wipe it off and you’re good.

Are Arrows more like ranged knives or low tech bullets?

@RD4590
It depends. At a minimum you need a rag and mineral oil. Ideally you would use dedicated agents for cleaning, lubrication and protection. Mineral oil won’t provide good rust protection. Having specialized cleaning agents makes cleaning easier and more effective.

@RD4590
I guess it depends on how well you take care of it. Like anything, firearms require maintenance.

That being said, most sporting goods stores sell cleaning tools and lubricants and such. Some items are cheap, some inexpensive, others a rip-off.

@ᎶㄖҜㄩ 乃ㄥ卂匚Ҝ
How much does it cost to maintain a gun, by the way?

I noticed a tiny bit of surface rust on my Smith and Wesson 686+ when I went target shooting today (notably at the S&W logo near the grip.)

@Background Pony #5252
I might be wrong about that, but I did read something about bullet yaw affecting accuracy some years ago.

Unfortunately I don’t have any articles prepared at the moment.

I didn’t know that, thanks. Do you have an article I could read or something?

This seems unlikely, I’m reluctant to believe it without a source. Spin can be adjusted by changing barrel’s twist rate, so if that was their main objective, they would simply use a lower twist rate. M16 went from 1:14 to 1:12 to 1:7. (The latter was to stabilize newer, longer bullets.) They could change it again if they wanted. I believe the shorter barrel was to make the rifle shorter and lighter, not to adjust bullet spin.

@Background Pony #5252
When you look at smaller calibers such as .22 lr and 5.45x39 it does seem to play a difference

The reason the M-4 replaced the M-16 was because the round had too much spin and would destabilize off target at longer range.

I thought the spin is to stabilize the bullet in flight and higher than usual spin shouldn’t affect terminal ballistics. Where did you learn that?

I’m not an expert, but isn’t spin rate determined by twist rate of the rifling? I imagine the bullet is already spinning at the target rate when leaving the barrel. (I guess an exception would be if the barrel is too short.) Or am I wrong?

@𝕭𝖆𝖉𝖍𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖙
Yeah, wooden grips put some soul into the gun.

I want this on my LCR

@CaptainXtra
They’re quieter than an SMG.

Is Crossbow ownership a thing with suburb/city folk?

Is it cheaper and easier to maintain than a standard 9mm Pistol?

I don’t see how it differs from SMG.