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@Background Pony #FA7E  
Show me an actual statistic that proves the majority of people here disapprove and I’ll concede the point. Otherwise it remains your opinion.
 
I don’t know how you expect to survey an entire booru, but at the very least that the rule change is highly controversial cannot be denied.  
Or it won’t, and the absence of toxic imagery like that will make the site more welcoming for new people interested in contributing their artwork.
 
I don’t know who you think will be driven away by a cute OC with a symbol on her rump and not by egregiously fat depictions, scat fetishes, foalcon or graphic violence. Turn off your filters (because that’s what they are for!) and sort for the most downvoted uploads sometime. If a person finds sharing a website (not even looking at anything) with some of the most…colorful art on the internet a-ok but considers “unacceptable political caricatures” intolerable then that is the individual’s issue, not the community’s.
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Background Pony #4800
@Background Pony #FA7E  
Show me an actual statistic that proves the majority of people here disapprove and I’ll concede the point. Otherwise it remains your opinion.
 
The vast vast majority of users do not care because as said before this was passed with no announcement and no message from the mods.  
Well I disagree it was arbitrary, since they have given reasons for the change
 
No they havent! All they said was that it has been in discussion for a long time as if to deny it had any relation to that trash article when its obvious it is when they did that with such little preparation and mod prepping.  
Or it won’t, and the absence of toxic imagery like that will make the site more welcoming for new people interested in contributing their artwork.
 
Filters are a thing for that reason. If you want to make a separate “everything” and “everything (with extreme themes)” filters, sure. This argument falls flat when you consider the MANY tags that would be considered offensive or unwelcoming already on the site. Like rape, snuff, forced impregnation or zebradom and all that it entails.
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@Background Pony #A8BB  
I don’t know who you think will be driven away by a cute OC with a symbol on her rump and not by egregiously fat depictions, scat fetishes, foalcon or graphic violence.
 
The difference is that the weird fetish stuff is just gross. It’s nasty, but it’s not something legitimately threatening. It isn’t a trivializing or glorification of political statements aligned with the positions of actual IRL people calling for the IRL extermination of you and your entire race.
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@Background Pony #6A71  
If you feel legitimately threatened by a picture of a pony, please seek help. Additionally there are multiple other “political statements” “aligned with actual IRL hateful people” that aren’t the nazism, which aren’t being banned and one of which is being promoted.
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@Barhandar  
Look, you’re free to be obtuse about it and play off as “aww it’s just a cute pony it doesn’t mean anything” if you want, but I don’t think anyone who’s actually being honest tries to pretend that propaganda isn’t a very real thing with very real consequences.
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Background Pony #4800
@Background Pony #6A71  
I’m legitimately curious of what of all the previous pictures of aryanne is classified as propaganda. Genuinely. I don’t think they have a consensus themselves.  
It isn’t a trivializing or glorification of political statements aligned with the positions of actual IRL people calling for the IRL extermination of you and your entire race.
 
Rape fetishes are definitively trivializing/glorifying rape. Most of white kitten’s stuff can be considered extremely problematic nowadays. And I don’t want to censor it either, but I’d understand if his stuff was among an “extreme” filter. Some of his stuff was borderline even for me.
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@Background Pony #4800  
@Background Pony #6A71
I’m legitimately curious of what of all the previous pictures of aryanne is classified as propaganda. Genuinely. I don’t think they have a consensus themselves.
It isn’t a trivializing or glorification of political statements aligned with the positions of actual IRL people calling for the IRL extermination of you and your entire race.
Rape fetishes are definitively trivializing/glorifying rape. Most of white kitten’s stuff can be considered extremely problematic nowadays. And I don’t want to censor it either, but I’d understand if his stuff was among an “extreme” filter. Some of his stuff was borderline even for me.
 
Was waiting for someone to bring this up. To me, someone who literally gets off to ponies raping others to dead where the guts explode inside out seems far more a dangerous individual than one drawing a nazi pony but I’m sure someone will disagree here
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@donut64s  
@windburst
no i agree
and i still think we should just leave it to the filters
because what’s dangerous is fucked up people having no outlet for their human sickness going out and forking it on real people instead
 
Well yeah, I’m here for free speech and anti censorship so naturally it can stay as well. I can’t be for one thing and then demand the other removed, that’s kind of the whole problem here sadly
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Background Pony #6A71
@Background Pony #4800  
I’m legitimately curious of what of all the previous pictures of aryanne is classified as propaganda.
 
The fact that she more or less exists for the purpose of trivializing / sanitizing Nazi imagery to make it seem more palatable because “oh it’s cute now.”
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Background Pony #6A71
@donut64s  
because what’s dangerous is fucked up people having no outlet for their human sickness going out and forking it on real people instead
 
If the imagery in question is just someone’s weird but ultimately private fetish / fantasy stuff, I’d agree. Completely. People have imaginations, and that’s really no one else’s business.
 
The problem with that reasoning re Nazism and racism, though, is that those things aren’t just private fantasy, they’re political positions. Political position leads to attempts at political implementation, and politics being implemented results in real impacts on other, real people. That is not private fantasy. That is fucking with other people’s lives and doing terrible things to innocent people because someone was able make you think that hate is okay.
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@Barhandar  
Do you seriously believe that a “cute X pony” will make people follow the X?
 
You’re saying that like it’s a single-leap, monolithic process devoid of gradation and nuance.  
It’s not.  
I’m not saying “Aryanne = cute, therefore IMMEDIATE FULL-ON NAZI RECRUITMENT IN ONE STEP!”  
I’m just saying, she exists to trivialize and sanitize Nazi imagery. If you think that this contributes nothing to making those things easier to get people started on consuming, then I’m not sure what else to tell you.
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@Background Pony #6A71  
Okay, but do you not realize that that same logic can be applied to literally everything else that’s “problematic”? What about rape and torture porn, gore, bestiality, foalcon, communism, etc.? None of that has been censored or removed, so why specifically this?
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Background Pony #A8BB
@Background Pony #6A71  
You are denying that people are rational and make choices based on what they know. The implication is that people can be programmed to think a certain way just with a non-politically-charged image. If that was the case then democracy could not exist at all as political affiliation would be totally random, since how do you know a particular political bent is the “right one” when rational argument doesn’t play a role? Perhaps I’m reading too much into your message, but you could say the same thing regarding different contexts:
 
Pornography changes people’s sexual proclivities and contributes to adopting more and more bizarre/abnormal fetishes.
Smoking marijuana is a “gateway drug” for harder chemical substances.
 
I don’t want to bring politics into this, but your mindset is awfully doctrinaire as it states “we must block what adults see as they might change their opinions on particular things.”
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@Background Pony #6A71  
The fact there is apparently some underground nazi railroad using Aryanne / Derpibooru as a vector for recruitment is the most confusing take of this whole debacle.
 
She’s a cartoon pony with a swastika stamped on her ass.  
The juxtaposition between something cute and adorable vs A Nazi is her entire point.  
In my experience on the internet, actual nazi’s treat it as a joke or as an insult.  
Regular people treat it as a joke, whether you find it funny or not depends on how strongly you feel about the nazis in general and even then the whole concept of ‘dark humor’ exists.  
Aryanne isn’t the first step towards becoming a Nazi any more than that old donald duck cartoon was or Hugo boss uniforms are.  
Arguably, as many people here have already said, the act of pushing people away who are just joking is that first step, since if they are apparently a ‘nazi’ for just making a joke then maybe those other ‘nazis’ aren’t actually all that bad.
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@Background Pony #6A71  
I’m just saying, she exists to trivialize and sanitize Nazi imagery. If you think that this contributes nothing to making those things easier to get people started on consuming, then I’m not sure what else to tell you.
 
WHO CARES?!  
Let people make their own decisions! YOU ARE NOT THE RULER OF EVERYONE’S LIVES
 
By making yourself the arbiter of good and bad you make yourself JUST LIKE THE NAZIS.  
How does this not click? My rights do not end where your feelings begin. I get to chose whatever I consume, just like I get to chose whatever I eat and whatever I drink. YOU do NOT get to chose that for me, nor should you be allowed to, no matter what “moral” purpose there is.  
The prosperity of this world did not come from group think, or putting the group over the individual, it came from realizing, in the Dark Ages, that the herd mentality of humans, the tribal nature, was BAD.  
We then took several hundred years to understand individual rights, and from then on became the most prosperous culture on the planet.  
Your refusal to respect individualism and instead chose tribalism is not “progressive” or “new-age”, nor is it “caring” or “good”, it is dismantling all the things that have helped people out of poverty, ended slavery (Because remember, blacks were grouped together as “blacks” rather than individuals, thus mass discriminated against and enslaved), started the industrial revolution, sent humans to the moon, and created the very show you are sitting here bickering about.
 
Let people do what they want. Learn to protect yourself and, rather than shutting down others you disagree with, actually learn to debate. If YOUR ideas are truly better than nazis then you shouldn’t have to censor nazi imagery.
 
This goes for everyone.
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@Background Pony #6A71  
She exists because a thread on 4chan found it hilarious to depict a nazi pony in Equestria. It’s so incongruous that it’s funny. It’s the same reason MLP/‘love and tolerance’ became a thing on /b/.
 
Just as funny is the hard revival of arian supremacy and the like in Germany where rules like this are enforced as laws.
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@Amm  
Just as funny is the hard revival of arian supremacy and the like in Germany where rules like this are enforced as laws.
Because Germany bans “nazism”/NSDAP, not, you know, “pronouncing yourself superior to someone else based on what you are instead of what you accomplished” or “silencing groups you don’t like”, right?
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@Datte-Before-Dawn  
this will make joining alternative boorus, which are being built, much grander as they will get art not able to be posted on Derpibooru
 
Aside from those who don’t care about that art.
 
 
@Grimdark-Lindy  
I’m almost incredibly certain that promoting censorship of certain ideas doesn’t get rid of them; In fact, I’d like to suggest the possibility – Which I believe is already happening by the way, that this rule will merely take what was hardly more than a harmless meme character, and actually create something potentially risky.
 
True. Banning the ideas from a site only gets rid of them on that site.
 
 
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A post I can definitely agree with.
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@Background Pony #4800  
The vast vast majority of users do not care because as said before this was passed with no announcement and no message from the mods.
 
I have to admit, that I have learned about the whole “anti-nazi bullshit” from comments under the “blm” tag.  
I try not to use social media or discord. I have seen nothing on this site that indicates the changes.  
It is very suspicoius that everything is done so “hush-hush”.
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Background Pony #7472
@Datte-Before-Dawn
 
It’s a pony image board… not a government… this kind of grandstanding I don’t fully support and I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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