General Tag Discussion

@Keith Mowz  
I’ll try to find consensus for some new definitions.

I’ve been told that the stuff under my artist tag is considered edits, and should be tagged as such. That, I am okay with. The edit tag states that it’s for any changes made by a third party. What I don’t get, is why artists such as Hyperstorm_H or Blues64 aren’t tagged with edits, wheres my stuff is. As far as I can tell, I’m simply doing what they do, which is colouring images. The only difference I can see, is that they get paid to do so, as their stuff is commission based (usually).
 
Why the discrepancy? What is different about how they do what they do, compared to how I do it?

@evan555alpha  
IMO edit is meant to be used on non-artist alterante images, like changing a character, adding/removing details, etc. Proper colorizations (ie not fill tool or hue changes) are a different matter, but I’m not aware of the tagging consensus there.

@The Smiling Pony  
Most images I’ve done, I’ve made sure to put the color edit tag. I’d say that it is a more fitting tag, however color edit also implies edit.

@evan555alpha  
Hmm… I believe the issue stems from those other artist tags’ images not being tagged color edit as well, though those are the same thing as yours and would require it. [Also most could use links to the original image as well. But that’s a separate matter]
 
As for the edit tag itself:
 
The Edit tag is meant for when someone other than the original artist alters a work. So technically it applies. But the kind of work you do is a far cry different than just adding some lines or changing the expression.
 
So, from what I can tell, their images should have the color edit tag placed on them as well. It’s just that people usually either miss it, or just aren’t aware of the color edit tag and its applications.
 
Though I can also see what TSP is saying, I wouldn’t be opposed to removing the “edit” implication from “color edit”. I’m just indecisive myself between the technicality of it and the spirit of it.

@Zeb  
Personally, I consider “color edit” to be a subset of “edit.” While I do think color edits are largely seen in a more positive light than other types of edit, the only possible circumstance in which I would consider its definition as an edit mutable would be in the case of a collab between two artists - in which case, the collaboration tag could effectively serve as a stand-in for the edit tag. Even if an artist commissions someone else to color their work, would it not make sense to consider the colorist an editor?

I would say it’s about whether or not there are two separate images on the site. If an artist uploads linework and then another artist colors it, regardless of their relationship or arrangement, it’s an edit. If one artist draws lines and sends it to a colorist who then uploads it, it’s a collaboration.

@Zeb  
This begs the question, then; Does adding the edit tag to their work no longer make their associated DB user(s) qualified for badges such as an artist who rocks? Doing this lists less than the requirements, and is essentially what would be shown if !edit were to be used afterwards. What would happen in this situation?

@evan555alpha  
On this site, the terms you’re talking about have additional meaning within our rules - for example if someone asks to have an image taken down.
 
When someone inks or colors someone else’s line art, and transforms the original into a new piece (as in the examples you linked) the resulting image may become a new and separate works - albeit still derivative. With these images, both artists have a claim on the work, and we normally will contact both artists if there is a Takedown Request, or some other issue of ownership.
 
In the case of edits, however, the piece is essentially unchanged. The editor doesn’t gain any rights to the image - the original artist retains all rights to their work and all edits of it. The original artist whose work was edited can ask to have the edit removed from the site (Rule #1). The editor has no such right.
 
But in the case of the images that you linked, BOTH artists have claim to the image, and if someone asked to have it removed from the site then we would typically consult both artists.

@Ciaran  
I understand that. My question is, why is it that they seem to not need the edit tag, whereas mine do? Do my pieces even need the tag if they’re considered their own pieces? Should we do what Zeb suggested and remove the edit implication from color edit?
 
I’m not asking for any images to be taken down, just want to clear up this grey area with the edit tag, and whether it’s applicable in this situation.

@evan555alpha  
Right, and I’m thinking that, whatever decision is made concerning the edit tag, it should apply to both yours and their works.
 
I’m leaning towards removing the Edit implication from color edit, but will need to look through the tag itself to see how viable it may be. [And the site is currently running slow so it may take a bit.]

@evan555alpha  
@Zeb  
Yeah, I think we need to talk about this. I wouldn’t call your most recent upload an “edit”. You basically acted as the colorist for the piece, so you’re what we term an “artist” with regard to the piece, not an “editor”. You have some rights with regard to the piece you created, however derivative it might be.
 
Gotta sleep now though … site does seem to be super slow, doesn’t it?

If the original artist knowingly gave an image to someone else to color (either individually or as an open collab) then it should get collaboration, and if an image was colored without the original artist’s knowledge/consent it should get both edit and color edit. It just seems silly to decouple color edit from edit when it literally has “edit” right there on the tin; people who are either searching for or filtering against edit are most likely going to include color edit in that concept.

@Ciaran  

 
It’s objectively an edit though. The fact that in your mind “edit” implies that it adds no value is a problem with your perception of the tag, not the tag itself. How much artistic talent is present in an edit has nothing to do with whether or not it’s an edit, the same way every tag on the site works.

@expatriate.  
I’m not talking about personal bias - I’m talking about the site’s procedures. As an editor you have no rights to the image. As an artist you do.

Not sure if this is the right place to post NSFW tag requests so I’ll post this in a spoiler. Should also mention it’s a fetish sort of thing.
 
I’m gonna be simple and to the point, penis urethras arouse me a lot for some reason which would probabily explain my other fetishes such as sounding and CV but I find it hard trying to look up “urethra” while the tag exists it often gets mixed up with the female urethra and isn’t always used by everyone. More so a urethra that is open/gaping/visible rather than just a small dot or something on the penis or when it is more detailed it tends to have no “hole” I’m wondering if you guys have any idea what sort of tag would work and if so how to enforce it. The closest tag I can find for “open urethras” is “gaping urethra” which only 4/21 of the results are involving a penis and even then they’re all by one guy who makes them excessively large. Here’s an example of what I mean https://derpibooru.org/1426895 it’s natural looking, indicates it actually is a hole makes me unf.
 
Often times I feel bad for my fetishes.

@Ciaran  
But those rights are not bestowed by tags. The tag is an objective description of the image that people search for or filter based on that description- not an assignment of copyright. I understand that copyright is a complicated issue- which is exactly why it should be handled by senior site staff on a case by case basis, not a free-for-all in the tags or tag discussion thread.

@Ciaran  
@expatriate.  
In regards to the edit tags: Since these colorists still have their own artist tags, instead of the “editor:x” tags, then we are still aware of their distinction as an artist as opposed to an editor. And since we investigate takedown requests thoroughly before following through on them, we would notice the multiple artist tags and investigate further.
 
As for badges and the requirement of “-edit”, on case by case basis we can make exceptions and judge that while someone’s works consist of the “edit” tag, the work they do is substantial enough to warrant the artist badges.
 
Really, the -edit qualification is in place to keep artists who often have people make memes/image macros out of their artwork from receiving artwork badges when they were still dozens, if not hundreds, of images away from the milestone.
 
 
@Zahnrad  
Naw man, never be ashamed of fetishi. It’s all fine~ [long as there’s consent in real life]
 
As for the tag:  
Aside from tagging “urethra” more often on images where it applies to penises as well, I’m not sure on what to do about it. Haven’t had much time to think of the issue. It might be worth making a thread asking for suggestions and input on it from others.

@Zeb  
Hello, can I have consent to look at your horse’s peehole? Thanks.

@LightningBolt  
I would hope you got permission from someone before playing with their horse’s genitalia~

Regarding the discovery family logo tag, does anyone care about this one? I’ve been seeing to it that screencaps with it were tagged as such for about a year and a half now, but it’s been nagging at me for awhile now whether or not it has any relevance except for the occasional fourth wall joke in edits. The only other use I could come up with would be a potential way of filtering out lower quality screencaps taken from streams.

Should we have a Busty Twilight and a Busty Sci-Twilight?

@Meanlucario  
They’re both named Twilight Sparkle. There really doesn’t need to be a separate tag for her breasts too.
 
@ZONESS  
[shrug] Honestly, I’ve never really payed that tag much attention myself.

@Zeb  
Personality and character wise, they are different people.

@Meanlucario  
And yet, that doesn’t change their breasts remaining the same~
 
But seriously: There really doesn’t need to be a tag to differentiate which Twilight sparkle has large breasts. The Scitwi tag can be used for that.