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fuck it why not. you guys have been talkin’ up a storm on the previous page, so have friday’s update a little early.
I think in one way i can see how this was going to showcase spike caring for her and putting her back together after a fall apart (lesson zero being a good cite), so I see where you were going in that.
I… uh… I’m not really sure I can give a reply that does yours justice, but I do want to say you’ve done a stellar job explaining yourself, and any perceived slight against my person is forgiven.
Dude, I’m completely with you on that. I never intended this plotline to blow up the way it did, but in retrospect, I see the faults in the writing that caused people to get the wrong impression from this.
I never intended to write spike off as not being a victim, or make it out like twi ‘just made a mistake’. She seriously is the equivalent of being mentally ill. Like seriously so. There’s no real-world equivalent to ‘magical aphrodisiac so powerful it literally robs you of your mental faculties and turns you into a primal sex monster when you get turned on’, but there are real-world equivalents for trigger scenarios for someone with, say, BPD or Histrionic Personality Disorder that cause people to fly off the handle into unnatural states of mind where they say or do things they have no control over.
In this story, Spike is well aware of Twilight’s malady, and that Twi feels utterly horrible about it, blaming herself for everything (which is quite in-character for her, if you ask me). I’ll definitely admit I wrote spike a bit out-of-character by making her so mature and understanding here, seeing as how in the show he’s kinda selfish and petulant, but I wanted to emphasize the aspect of Spike’s character that is an anchor and a grounding point for Twi; That is to say that Spike actually takes care of her. A lot. He cleans up a lot of her messes (usually with some grumbling and complaining in the process) because he genuinely cares about her.
The fault was that as I crystalized this story in my head (and discussed so much back-and-forth with commentors on various pages as they were uploaded) I sort of took it for granted that the viewer would understand as much about the situation as Spike does. It definitely looks on the page like Spike just forgives her out of nowhere, while in my head there’s a much more reasonable explanation. I fully accept that that is on me; I didn’t write this story as well as I should have from a purely technical standpoint, and that ended up making an ethical issue for a lot of the viewers. I’m just trying to be more mindful of that moving forward.
This was NEVER meant to be any sort of commentary on rape or sexual predation as a whole, but a very specific character study on Twi’s inability to control herself (and I don’t mean lack of self-control, I mean a quite literal incapability to stop. That’s what the glowing eyes were supposed to signify), the crushing guilt she feels over that (just look at the next chapter if you wanna see how she views herself), and how Spike’s love and care go such a long way towards keeping her sane.
I do want to mention something here: It’s rare for me to make a comment without at least a little bit of it being tongue-in-cheek hyperbole or strawmanning because I’m partly trying to keep myself from getting too emotionally invested in any arguments that may arise (see the incident with caboni if you want an example of when I get too emotionally invested in the argument, or rather don’t because I doubt my comments are still there. I’ve regretted that blow-up for four years now, and barely a day goes by that I don’t feel guilt for how I acted and treated caboni and the mods that got involved, especially since we used to be friends, and I don’t think I would have blown up at the guy had I realized who it was, just under a different screen-name than the one I knew him by.)
But anyway, a bit of my sensitivity is that in my adolescence I was a rape and molestation magnet, and since I was and am a particularly large, strong dude any time I’d defend myself I’d get blamed and people wouldn’t believe I was the victim. the only way I could defend myself was by making myself as grotesque as possible so nobody would want anything to do with me, so sometimes I’ll get a bit touchy as far as rape is concerned, especially since roughly half of my molesters have been female, usually whenever it looks like someone’s implying that females are incapable of forcing someone to perform sexual acts on/for them.
And I apologize for not making my statement clearer in the first place. Everyone is free to like what they want.
I actually remember reading through the comments on this before at some point, because I remember your avatar image. That said, we do have differing opinions, and I’m glad we do, and that once you realized that an opinion isn’t “wrong” by default you apologized. That said, I don’t hold your comment against you or anything . Have a nice day.
I did apologize.
I also was only referring to the monologue comment, though it’s clear I didn’t specify that for that reply, so… sorry again?
I can only say sorry.
you can bitch and moan at me all you like, and I get that you don’t like my writing for this chapter; I’m rather lukewarm on it myself in retrospect. That said, I don’t take kindly to anyone telling a fan of mine their opinion is ‘wrong’ just because they expressed appreciation for my art.
Sorry.
I know you and I already deeply discussed this chapter.
that’s a pretty objective statement to make in regards to an opinion.
It isn’t actually. it’s excusing away a physical and mental violation of a character ,and instead of the dark part of that being handled like a dark part, it’s being excused away.
Again, RD’s chapter was great, this one wasn’t because Spike was completely out of character and treated like, well, a fucktoy with no emotions that last more than 5 seconds.
I went into deep descriptions of why this chapter came out rather bad, i’d rather not go over them again.
Interesting that you interpret it that way…. I’ve said it in the comments before, but this is actually a very personal expression of some of my own fears; self-doubts that I’ve had after my libido led me into a bad situation and damaged relationships. Obviously, I’ve never actually raped anyone, but sometimes it’s hard to feel like that isn’t the case when I’m guilt-tripping myself over hurting someone.
I hate to bring out the accusation of strawmanning, because the internet’s made it such a meaningless term by now, but the jump from ‘Twilight occasionally loses control because of a magic spell that massively increases her sex drive’ to ‘Characters who have penises are automatically rapists’ certainly does seem to be a little hay-stuffed.
Keep in mind, 5 other characters in this story also got dicks, and none of them have gone around raping anyone. As a matter of fact, the first story of this comic is about a female character who is just as much as, if not more of a rapist that Twi was in this chapter (I say more of a rapist because Mrs. Cake doesn’t have any unnatural increases to her libido that for all intents and purposes are a mind-altering drug that impairs judgment. Twi does.)
This is not a sweeping statement about the nature of People With Penises, it’s a specific character study on Twi and her own guilt.
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Woah, spike to still retain a dick? That would be fantastic.
I was trying to say use this before Screwed, that is why I suggested that Spike could lead your Twilight to Screwed. I was just also saying that you could make Spike confident in the process. Also, I admit that I fear that good story and characterization for material people can masturbate to without feeling guilty.
well, that ultimately is what this comic is here for. But no, I think I’ll put this before royally screwed in the official reading order. I’m also quite possibly going to completely go back on my word because I’m starting to think of spike as a female character more than male now, and based on [redacted information], it would actually make sense for her to still have a dick.
Or this will only be a hentai, and you will throw all ideas away in favour for porn over story.
Ah, that explains more, which is that, even if we read the whole story, events have taken place not yet documented.
I wanted it to be a little bit of a mystery; we don’t know all the details of what happened at this point. it’s supposed to be revealed bit by bit over time. There will be a flashback to the initial event (that’s really one of the only things I intentionally put in a specific timeframe, where the others are sort of nebulous), but i’m not sure when that’ll happen. Probably whenever everyone votes for it. and Royally Screwed is around the middle; there’s a good chunk of time after Twi goes to the princesses for help before they actually get anything conclusive out of it. magicscience takes time, y’know.
This is a pretty long prologue, even if you plan on having the final product be around 1000 pages. Also, I would think the event that gave them dicks would be the prologue, and the events that take place afterwards would be the story. Also, when does Royally Screwed take place? I’m assuming it’s near the end of your story, since it’s when Twi is lead to where the cure is.
Like I said, we’re still towards the beginning of the story. I have a LOT to elaborate on. The current vote for the next chapter is up on my tumblr, and Luna/everyone is currently in the lead. I have some really interesting ideas that might shed some light on the situation.
As far as reading order goes, really I didn’t intend these to be in any particular order, so rearrange them however you’d like in your mind. There won’t be references to previous events until a little while later, so these early chapters could really be mixed and matched however you like.