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By shitstorm, do you mean because it’s been released early, or because people didn’t like what happened in it?
 
If it’s the latter, there’s been some people annoyed, I think.
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“Boomers” is short for baby boomers, referring to the baby boom in the US from 1944 to 1961. This generation is frequently blamed for ruining the US economy, especially the housing market.
 
“Millenials” are people who were older children or young adults in the year 2000, ranging from the 80s to early 90s. This is sometimes also considered a baby boom era. Sometimes being born right around 2000 counts too. They are caricatured as being Facebook-obsessed babies who can’t stop using smartphones for 2 seconds.
 

 
What I actually came here to vent about is how my feelings towards this show have changed over time. I’ve followed it since season 1. The newest episode when I started was Sonic Rainboom.
 
A friend of mine who would normally be very against this kind of show sorta-not-really recommended it, so I decided to risk the likelihood he was trolling me and give it a shot. I was really fucking depressed anyway. It turned out to be a mad charming show and I felt a ton better and was fascinated by how much thought they seemed to be putting into the moral aspect of it, as opposed to generic fantasy schlock for kids, and all without making it crippling for adults to watch.
 
… until they noticed what kind of adults were watching…
 
For the first two seasons, I would conjecture about mild-to-moderate plotholes or ambiguities, and then a week or two later Faust would be asked about said plothole and her explanation turned out to be highly compatible with what I guessed. The one I remember the best is after Trixie’s first episode, where everyone said she was grossly overreacting to Twilight. I naturally concluded that Trixie must have already known her. I eventually postulated that they probably went to school together and Twilight likely upstaged her and didn’t even remember her and therefore Trixie should be enraged to see her again. Faust said she would’ve gone with most of that story (at least the “they went to school together” part) if she’d ever gotten around to expanding on Trixie.
 
After Faust and Renzetti left, my conjectures immediately stopped being accurate and the show started doing dumb things. We had the abysmal crap that was season 3, and afterward it felt to me like the new writers hadn’t watched or at least didn’t remember the existing show before they started adding anything to it. The one who pissed me off the most was Larson. He and Polski had already done several episodes I didn’t like in the previous three seasons. The difference is that Polski felt awful for the episodes he screwed up, promised to do better, and made better episodes later. Larson basically didn’t do any of that and was largely responsible for all the faux-poetic nonsense, the gradually less subtle pandering to bronies, and the shift from comedy-with-brain-cells to shlocky fantasy drama.
 
Around this time I became aware that there was now a comic series. I don’t know when it started. I’ve read some of it and still don’t know what order anything was published it. The comic overall sucks and represents everything I dislike about where the show went under Larson: unhealthy morals, needlessly contrived theatrics, and forced plotlines. The most asinine thing is that the good parts of the comic were either never part of the show or were screwed up once they were added.
 
Oh, and there were movies too. I watched some of those. I tried to watch them in the order released for the “proper” effect.
 
What really pissed me off was how the Elements of Harmony and the concept of “darkness” or “evil” were handled.
 
Faust’s pilot episode - as I understand it, the only episode she personally wrote - features Twilight blatantly stating that the Elements are not coherent and separate items but rather within the characters themselves. She then immediatley proves this by using them even though Nightmare Moon had destroyed the items representing them. The Elements thus were simply the facets of being a good friend and indistinct from the people who embody them, e.g. there was no distinction between Rainbow Dash’s personal devotion and “the Element of Loyalty”. This would logically mean that Nightmare Moon was not an external force exploiting Luna either - Nightmare Moon was Luna. They were the same person. Luna had simply forgotten how to be a friend, and was reminded when the Elements washed over her. I liked this because it meant that everything went back to Luna - she was the fallen princess, she has every reason to feel horrible for what were solely her actions, and it underscores her strength when it is her own malignance and not someone else’s that she conquers and does not fall to a second time. It shut down the idiotic folly that plagues mankind when we presume that “evil” people and “good” people are two different species that never overlap, like neither can change to the other. It shut down the idea that a person can take the things they’re ashamed of about themselves and say they don’t count by pretending they’re “a different person”.
 
Too bad they didn’t keep that. Between the show and the questionably-canon comics, the Elements ended up being generic MacGuffins in a prancy wrapper, and Nightmare Moon was heavily implied (or, in the comic, explicitly revealed) to be an external malign entity. This means that Luna was not to blame for her actions because she was possessed by a demon, and could now think of Nightmare Moon as someone else rather than her past self.
 
Almost as bad as how Discord just decided to be good all of a sudden and, although many characters had some doubts, he was eventually accepted even though he constantly betrayed (or did he?!) the team and endangered or needlessly tormented them just as much as when he was evil.
 
These are cheap cop-outs, and gaffes like these led me to indefinitely abandon the show after watching Season 5, my least favorite season. I didn’t have any energy left for it. My interest in the characters became more superficial and prurient as most of their personas deteriorated.
 
I eventually came back years later and resumed from Season 6. By this time, Larson had mercifully left the project and the lead writer was now Josh Haber (I think?), but all the stupid things Larson had done were still there for everybody else to deal with. Most notably, he’d penciled in “yo playa, redeem Starlight fo’ me real quick?” in the margins without any real details as to how to do that.
 
Good Girl Starlight actually expected to be condemned for what she’d done… but the village she had enslaved was inexplicably delighted to see her and her father didn’t seem to have any idea she’d ever been evil. Only Sunburst was reluctant to speak to her, and this was solely because of his shame, not hers. Despite this lack of consequence for one of the most successfully destructive villain schemes in the series, Starlight at least recognizes her past and is much more entertaining trying to be a Good Girl than she ever was as a villain.
 
It had been long enough that I didn’t really care about the show’s “quality” anymore from S6 onward. I’d been so angry because the first two seasons led me to expect better things from it and invest more into it emotionally, and it let me down. Once I came back, I told myself I was done getting angry at a cartoon. I no longer expected anything in particular of it, so whatever it gave me was more than I’d asked for. It was almost as good as when we’d first met.
 
I still noticed the dumb parts, though.
 
I still noticed how many incredibly soulful and mature musical numbers they suddenly started giving otherwise-not-soulful-or-mature Spike, including one where it’s the only reason he convinces the two ponies he knows who most hate changelings to suddenly be cool with a changeling who had earlier come within soul-sucking distance of Flurry and hissed at her, probably because the fans wouldn’t stop whining that Spike wasn’t a studmuffin.
 
I still noticed how they had to make the changelings into protagonists because they saw how many fans wanted to fuck changelings (guilty as charged.)
 
I still noticed when they had to be like Harry Potter and try to make every minor character and item ever mentioned into a part of the Main Story. “Hey, remember Star Swirl the Bearded? Yeah, he’s arguably the cause of (or at least failed to properly address) every evil that has attacked Equestria so far… And every other hero we’ve ever mentioned were his Power Rangers… and lucky you, they were all frozen like John Wayne so we can bring them back to life and shove them onto the screen. Oh, and the boogeyman who was tangential to a comedy plot like five years ago is real, he’s like a SUPER Nightmare Moon.”
 
I still noticed that in this cartoon world where people like Pinkie Pie don’t get arrested and put in mental wards (even though they have mental wards), they started Getting Real like with the filly whose dad walked out on her (or died??) and who wasn’t ready to accept a foster father yet.
 
But I also noticed that the show started being cute and funny again! You know: its one job bro?? Thorax is the whiniest and least intimidating king ever! After the Pillars come back from the Middle Ages and do their hero thing, they have to get normal jobs! How hilarious is that!! “So, Mr. the Bearded. What talents and experience do you bring to the company? … You saved the world a couple times and invented magic? Okay, but how good are you with a fax machine? Do you know what that is?”
 
Oh right, Rockhoof became so depressed he asked Twilight to kill him. Yeah, other than him it’s good.
 
The show will end in this sort of resigned middle-ground. It isn’t the gold-hearted and fun-loving romp it was before, because - unlike most of its villains - it can’t escape its past. Its face is covered with the scars. Some of them it’s turned into beauty marks, like Starlight and Thorax. Some of them it hasn’t, like Good Guy Discord or every single time it tries to be dramatic.
 
Who knows? Maybe I’ll like the next generation better. I’m pretty sure it will have all of the same problems, but this time I will be ready for them.
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Again: aside episode 15 and ||the twists at the end of episode 21 (I still like the episode because the humor was top notch) || I don’t really think the S9 is bad as people are pointing to be. I actually think it’s one of the best ones…
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@Tirimsil
 
Talk about drama queens…
 
And like if it wasn’t enough, even thought China reprised with early releases, they’re gonna go one ep at week this time around. I better change approach for the rest of the series I really don’t want to spend more time than I should in this virtual hell…
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@Tirimsil  
In fairness, some of that isn’t Larson’s doing, and you can’t really blame him for all those things you dislike, (Given the small amount of episodes he’s actually written, and some are actually quite good.)  
Discord didn’t just “decide to be good,” Fluttershy had to teach him, (in fact his heel-face-turn developed a li’l more during the Tirek arc, and such, so he actually has become nicer) and I kinda like him as a “not very reliable ally.” He actually wants the Mane 6 to succeed.  
Also, I don’t mind things getting “real” at times, (it still has plenty of cute/funny moments for me to avoid it being too sappy) and the show doesn’t always fail at being dramatic. I felt “The Perfect Pear” was a pretty good more serious episode for example.
 
@Background Pony #2E12  
I still like Season 9 too, it’s kinda a shame to see so many disapointed with it, (even though I admit, not every ep’ is perfect) but many also seem to be enjoying it, as well. So hopefully, the show goes out on a good note.
 
My only disapointment with S9 honestly is it doesn’t seem to be building up to the finale as much as I hoped, and overall just feels like a normal season, then a final one.
 
@Hollowfox Jaeger  
Sense “good/bad” change is subjective, it’s oftentimes hard for many to accept it.
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@Beau Skunky
 
I guess they just wanted to keel things as they always did: standard eps with only some related to the seasonal arc (the premiere, episode 8, 13 and 17 so far).
 
To be fair, Jim Miller effectively said they kinda wanted to make a full story in an entire season (in general, not necessarily in the final one), but Hasbro didn’t want because they wanted to.keep the nature of the series episodic. But I’m pretty fine with that. PS:did you watched the early releases as well or you’re going with US releases?
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I’ve only managed to watch a few leaked episodes, but given the limitations of the current device I’m on, I’ve only been able to see ‘em on Youtube.  
Wish Netflix would catch up with the series.
 
Kinda wish they’d give the “Terrible Trio” (Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy) another ep’, I loved the two they had. (Of course, I don’t wanna overdo ’em.)
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@Beau Skunky  
But that drama with Twilicorn and EqG caused the show to have its mainstream potential wasted and it’s now staying niche, leading to episodes after S3 to be bashed (which I consider it “quality decline”), no more crossover fanarts with Steven Universe and Star vs as I see it in instagram, and a faithful film adaptation not having the praise it deserved.
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@Hollowfox Jaeger  
It wasn’t just those things, but overall even if it’s lost it’s “mainstream trendyness,” it still has a very loyal fanbase.
 
In fact, honestly SU & Star seem like more niche shows, as even they lost some of their popularity too, it happens to every show.  
I loved the 2012 TMNT show, but even it now fell into obscurity, despite being popular for a few years.
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@Beau Skunky
 
There MIGHT be a chance episode 23 could be about them but I don’t want to jinx it.
 
Still, admittedly the best eps of the season are effectively the ones that are correlated to the seasonal arc (The Beginning of the End, Frenemies and The Summer Sun Setback. Between Dark and Dawn is great as well, but because of the Royal Sister parts… which are the main ones), so I’m still remaining hyped for the finale anyway.
 
I just hope no big disasters happen in the meantime. As I said I enjoyed episode 21 for the humor, but there was a BIG continuity discrepancy, like in episode 15 (the humor itself is what saves the episode for me), and I feel like the show is starting going into the Fairly Oddparents territory in terms of continuity discrepancy (since S7, the Fairly Oddparents suffered of HUGE continuity discrepancies, and this is why I pretend everything post-Wishology never existed), so I think it’s a good think the show is ending before it becomes common. Fairly Oddparents became hot garbage ever since the continuity was screwed up, but luckily, aside a few standeable damages, MPP can’t meet that fat as they’re starting happening now and only 4 eps are left before the end.
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Yeah, you’re not wrong.
 
But the 2017 movie deserves better, because it’s not a live action movie, but rather an animated movie based on the show, which makes it faithful to it compared to Bayformers and Jem 2015. (Which is why i thought it will be the salvation of Hasbro films)
 
And its box office success doesn’t mean shit if a sequel is never going to be made, with the 2021 movie confirmed to not be a sequel, which leads people to think it will be a reboot and start of G5. (Not to mention they cancelled a sequel that is as critically redeeming as the new Angry Birds sequel that came out today)
 
Hell, this show deserves better as well. Because no episode after S3 is praised nowadays, with most changes in season premieres and finales being panned.
 
I s2g if the Steven Universe movie gets a rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes…
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Because no episode after S3 is praised nowadays,
 
That’s actually not true. While the fanbase may be more divided nowadays, I’ve seen plenty of post-S3 episodes get praise.
 
As for the MLP movie, it probably just unfortunately came out to late, and some bronies were probably a bit burnt out on the series when it came out, or too embarrassed to see it publically.
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Besides, I don’t think that big disasters are gonna happen for the rest of the series. Episode 22 seems to be fine to itself, and episode 24 is a conclusive episode to Big Mac and Sugar Belle. Also some screenshots coming possibly from episode 23 have popped out and it does seem to be a cute one. Episode 21 was pretty much the only one I was scared of, and even thought there were continuity discrepancies, I can go over that this time, since the episode was still funny. I think from this point on the road is straight.
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Just to be clear: the fact that the newest episode let me down (continuity wise, because as standalone episode was actually pretty good), doesn’t mean I’m giving up on the finale. The episodes related to the seasonal arc are still the best of the season, so for the finale I’m still remaining positive. Besides I told you that the standard episodes that would have come in the meantime weren’t in my priorities, unless they were part of the arc, so to me the failure of episode 21 is not a big loss.
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I understand the lengthy process, (heck it takes a year just to make one 22-minute episode) and I’m glad they took their time with it, I’m just saying it came out a li’l late in the series’ popularity.
 
@Hollowfox Jaeger  
I liked two of those episodes actually, but “Simple Ways” was kinda dull.
 
@Prowl  
6, 8, and even 9 had some good ones too.  
I even see some fans say they actually prefer later seasons to the first two, so the stigma that Season 1&2 are the best/only good seasons isn’t actually shared by most fans. Mostly just former fans.
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Yeah, I like the old and new. It’s kinda hard for me to chose a favorite season, but if I had one, it might be #4.
 
Season 1&2 are good, but honestly feel overrated. And fans forget they had a few weak episodes too, like “Mare Do-Well.” (Though, personally, I don’t mind that episode, but I suppose the “moral” could’ve been handled better.)
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@ILoveMyoozik
 
Again: none of the seasons of MLP can be compared to original PPGs’ S5 and 6, or Spongebob’s S5 to 8, Family Guy Season 6 onward, Fairly Oddparents post Wishology seasons, and… pretty much everything about Teen Titans Go.
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