Unpopular opinion time
DaddyMakesMeEUHH
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@CORDZ2000
Hey, at least they tried with the limited time the team had. Also, did you know the crew had no writers in it. All they did was storyboard almost everything.
Hey, at least they tried with the limited time the team had. Also, did you know the crew had no writers in it. All they did was storyboard almost everything.
SparkleDash
Professional Shipper
@DaddyMakesMeEUHH
That’s not how that works. The storyboard artists are writers in board-driven shows. Most cartoons from the 90s and early 2000s were like this. Nowadays, it’s slightly less common, but still completely normal.
It usually depends on if a show tells its stories more visually or with dialogue. If the visuals are hugely important, it will usually be board-driven. In a show with as much crazy visuals and magical stuff as Steven Universe, it’s easier to get writers that can draw out what needs to happen as opposed to attempting to describe it in text.
That’s not how that works. The storyboard artists are writers in board-driven shows. Most cartoons from the 90s and early 2000s were like this. Nowadays, it’s slightly less common, but still completely normal.
It usually depends on if a show tells its stories more visually or with dialogue. If the visuals are hugely important, it will usually be board-driven. In a show with as much crazy visuals and magical stuff as Steven Universe, it’s easier to get writers that can draw out what needs to happen as opposed to attempting to describe it in text.
DaddyMakesMeEUHH
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@SparkleDash
You need separate people to do separate jobs. You can’t just have a bunch of artist in a show, you need writers to help. That’s probably one of the reasons why so many things were over looked, because they had no script writers. All of the writing and dialogue was handled by storyboard artists, that kinda a problem.
You need separate people to do separate jobs. You can’t just have a bunch of artist in a show, you need writers to help. That’s probably one of the reasons why so many things were over looked, because they had no script writers. All of the writing and dialogue was handled by storyboard artists, that kinda a problem.
CORDZ2000 
Draconequues Lover zcord
is there a forum where one can talk about steven universe, i really wanna get into the whole diamond thing
SparkleDash
Professional Shipper
@DaddyMakesMeEUHH
No, dude, they don’t hire writers that can’t draw or artists that can’t write. They get people that do both. That’s how some shows operate and it was the standard for all cartoons until recently. You absolutely do not need a typed script for a cartoon. Some more dialogue-heavy shows use them, but both options are legitimate and most cartoons have historically been done in the board-driven format, even feature length movies.
No, dude, they don’t hire writers that can’t draw or artists that can’t write. They get people that do both. That’s how some shows operate and it was the standard for all cartoons until recently. You absolutely do not need a typed script for a cartoon. Some more dialogue-heavy shows use them, but both options are legitimate and most cartoons have historically been done in the board-driven format, even feature length movies.
DaddyMakesMeEUHH
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@SparkleDash
Look, you’re not listening, you need both, both are important especially for a show that story driven. The Steven universe crew had 2 people editing and writing for the show as well as drawing things out. That was not fair to them, they signed up for drawing not writing. If you do not have your foundation (the script) things are going to fall flat. If you watched the show you would notice things that could have been done better, if they didn’t overworked those 2 people and actually had a separate team actually write things out.
Look, you’re not listening, you need both, both are important especially for a show that story driven. The Steven universe crew had 2 people editing and writing for the show as well as drawing things out. That was not fair to them, they signed up for drawing not writing. If you do not have your foundation (the script) things are going to fall flat. If you watched the show you would notice things that could have been done better, if they didn’t overworked those 2 people and actually had a separate team actually write things out.
SparkleDash
Professional Shipper
@DaddyMakesMeEUHH
No, they knew what their job was. It’s not like they came to work looking to draw and were suddenly told that they need to do the writing. Cartoonists know what a board-driven show is and that by applying for it, they’re agreeing to do two different jobs.
They could’ve hired extra people to help them write, but those writers would’ve also needed to be able to draw or their services would be of no use. They needed to cut out the process of having an artist interpret a writer’s descriptions and then needed to have that be approved and all that. That slows things down for very visual shows. Anyone that writes needs to be able to draw out what they’re trying to convey.
Storyboard artists should be paid for both jobs and credited as both “writer” and “storyboard artist.” I forget what show it was, but I remember reading on Twitter that one crew threatened to quit if they weren’t credited and paid properly for both parts of the job and the showrunners agreed. Overworking is a legitimate complaint, but having the artists write is not. They need to get a different job if they can’t write.
Even in script-driven shows, the storyboard artists need writing skills. Sometimes a script will be too hard to translate on screen and the storyboard artist will need to make a decision for how to rework something. Also, in a show like FiM, most of the visual gags, background references, Pinkie Pie-isms, Discord magic, cameos, funny outfits, slapstick, action sequences and stuff like that was handled by the storyboard artists and sometimes the actual animators. Writing skills are basically an essential for the job and it makes sense for some shows to give all the writing requirements to them.
No, they knew what their job was. It’s not like they came to work looking to draw and were suddenly told that they need to do the writing. Cartoonists know what a board-driven show is and that by applying for it, they’re agreeing to do two different jobs.
They could’ve hired extra people to help them write, but those writers would’ve also needed to be able to draw or their services would be of no use. They needed to cut out the process of having an artist interpret a writer’s descriptions and then needed to have that be approved and all that. That slows things down for very visual shows. Anyone that writes needs to be able to draw out what they’re trying to convey.
Storyboard artists should be paid for both jobs and credited as both “writer” and “storyboard artist.” I forget what show it was, but I remember reading on Twitter that one crew threatened to quit if they weren’t credited and paid properly for both parts of the job and the showrunners agreed. Overworking is a legitimate complaint, but having the artists write is not. They need to get a different job if they can’t write.
Even in script-driven shows, the storyboard artists need writing skills. Sometimes a script will be too hard to translate on screen and the storyboard artist will need to make a decision for how to rework something. Also, in a show like FiM, most of the visual gags, background references, Pinkie Pie-isms, Discord magic, cameos, funny outfits, slapstick, action sequences and stuff like that was handled by the storyboard artists and sometimes the actual animators. Writing skills are basically an essential for the job and it makes sense for some shows to give all the writing requirements to them.
DaddyMakesMeEUHH
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@SparkleDash
Let’s just agree to disagree at this point. Having a person juggle two different jobs instead of focusing on one is pretty hard thing to do especially during time constraints.
Most of the time a screenwriter rarely does the storyboard.The director usually interprets the screenwriters work in their own version of the visual aspects of the story in a storyboard.The storyboard becomes the starting point for each camera shot of animation. A storyboard should compliment the screenwriters work and summaries the story in visual frames. Basically it translates the screenplay into pictures.
Having the storyboard artist do all that seems very stressful. When it would have been easier to have one group of people do one thing. Steven Universe was on Cartoon Network, they had enough people to help write the script. But whatever, they did their best with what they had, and it shows when some characters have rushed up or even downplayed arcs, just because they wanted the show to be “visual pleasing”. Which isn’t a bad thing, but looks aren’t everything either.
Let’s just agree to disagree at this point. Having a person juggle two different jobs instead of focusing on one is pretty hard thing to do especially during time constraints.
Most of the time a screenwriter rarely does the storyboard.The director usually interprets the screenwriters work in their own version of the visual aspects of the story in a storyboard.The storyboard becomes the starting point for each camera shot of animation. A storyboard should compliment the screenwriters work and summaries the story in visual frames. Basically it translates the screenplay into pictures.
Having the storyboard artist do all that seems very stressful. When it would have been easier to have one group of people do one thing. Steven Universe was on Cartoon Network, they had enough people to help write the script. But whatever, they did their best with what they had, and it shows when some characters have rushed up or even downplayed arcs, just because they wanted the show to be “visual pleasing”. Which isn’t a bad thing, but looks aren’t everything either.
Background Pony #03BF
GenericArchangel 
Moderator
Free the Tantabus
This is the thread for unpopular pony opinions, let’s try to get back on track.
Nurse Redheart’s original cutie mark- the one with the Red Cross- looks worse than the one they replaced it with after the Red Cross sued. The unfilled space in the cross looks good.
(Old on the left, new on the right)
Nurse Redheart’s original cutie mark- the one with the Red Cross- looks worse than the one they replaced it with after the Red Cross sued. The unfilled space in the cross looks good.
(Old on the left, new on the right)
Background Pony #E848
@GenericArchangel
This is a little detail I and many other had not noticed, omg.
This is a little detail I and many other had not noticed, omg.
Ebalosus 
Build commie blocks!
@Ring Team
I tend to agree with Voice of Reason when it comes to the early two-parters, in that the first part is pretty good, but the second part drags and basically ends in an anti-climax. It wasn’t until The Crystal Empire that those issues were sorted out, and where the two-parters felt connected to the rest of the narrative.
I tend to agree with Voice of Reason when it comes to the early two-parters, in that the first part is pretty good, but the second part drags and basically ends in an anti-climax. It wasn’t until The Crystal Empire that those issues were sorted out, and where the two-parters felt connected to the rest of the narrative.
Ring Team 
@Ebalosus
Hum… yeah?
The two-part episodes felt connected since season 3, but at the same time they didn’t. I get the concept in season 4, where the main characters have to figure out how to get or to “wake up” the elements of Harmony. That’s nice, although I prefered more adventure episodes.
But when it comes to the season 5, that’s when the argument of “connected” lost me. Starlight was running away and, instead of chasing her so we can see more episodes about her, she only got 2 episodes out of 26.
That’s ridiculous.
Hum… yeah?
The two-part episodes felt connected since season 3, but at the same time they didn’t. I get the concept in season 4, where the main characters have to figure out how to get or to “wake up” the elements of Harmony. That’s nice, although I prefered more adventure episodes.
But when it comes to the season 5, that’s when the argument of “connected” lost me. Starlight was running away and, instead of chasing her so we can see more episodes about her, she only got 2 episodes out of 26.
That’s ridiculous.
Background Pony #8400
Weird thought:
Who would voice Firefly if she appeared in FiM?
Who would voice Firefly if she appeared in FiM?
Background Pony #7032
@DaddyMakesMeEUHH
True, Sandy Duncan would be an obvious choice.
Personally i would go with Venus Terzo, imo.
True, Sandy Duncan would be an obvious choice.
Personally i would go with Venus Terzo, imo.
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