General Tag Discussion
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If you want verbose AI-assisted descriptions, literally go install Gentoo on a server and make your own website.
Perhaps Gentoo was used on the cluster coordination server, but you’d use a cluster of iPhones if the goal is mass-scale OCR to generate searchable transcriptions.
@LightningBolt
The example you gave about a user who will explode if they see one (1) irrelevant search result is more relevant to the endless parade of character-specific boob and butt tags. The problem BP was discussing is one of a needle in a haystack.
The example you gave about a user who will explode if they see one (1) irrelevant search result is more relevant to the endless parade of character-specific boob and butt tags. The problem BP was discussing is one of a needle in a haystack.
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Someone has to find that needle originally, and said needle may not be worth a whole unique tag for it.
Someone has to find that needle originally, and said needle may not be worth a whole unique tag for it.
TexasUberAlles 
The easiest way to find a needle in a haystack is to burn the haystack down and let the wind blow away the ashes. Tag bloat is a pile of useless straw, crying out for the torch of clear and concise tagging.
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@coomdoomer
Actually no. “Cat lingerie” is a memetic outfit all on its own, and kitty pyjamas is another one, although to a lesser degree. A whole ass “cat themed clothes” would be an odd thing to create when the bulk of its potential scope is already covered by two meme outfits, and the rest is purely coincidental.
Actually no. “Cat lingerie” is a memetic outfit all on its own, and kitty pyjamas is another one, although to a lesser degree. A whole ass “cat themed clothes” would be an odd thing to create when the bulk of its potential scope is already covered by two meme outfits, and the rest is purely coincidental.
As long as our tag system does not support addressing, we needs tags with multiple aspects for specificity, as “cat, lingerie” will summon every image where any type of lingerie and any presence of cat co-occur.
T6J2E5
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To @LightningBolt’s point, though, the tags are only as useful as users’ proper application of them. So many artists neglect to use even the most basic tags, or simply copy and paste from another artwork’s tags, and then rely on other users to do the tagging work for them. There are artists out there who use the tags properly (and good on them for it), but there are many, many more who don’t. So, adding superfluous tags isnt going to do much to improve tagging accuracy, completeness, or granularity.
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We keep having these repetitive tag discussions because there are at least 5 common uses for tagging. I’ll use
headlight sparkle as the example since it’s the only big booba pun tag I remember- Hide squicks. Generally don’t need the specific tags for these. I can’t think of many people who would only want to hide Twilight Sparkle with giant jugs, but are otherwise fine with the purple pony or big-breasted anthros.
- Cut down on chaff. Here is where Derpi’s tagging culture, more than site functionality, is leagues ahead of e621. If the niche tag is undertagged, that’s OK, so long as it’s often used. The point isn’t to keep them all out because seeing one will ruin your day; it’s to increase the signal-to-noise ratio. If your usual gooning query drops from 65% large knocker Twilight down to 10%, the tag was useful.
- Gooning session. This is basically the opposite of 2. It doesn’t matter if the tag is missing many images; as long as it’s already sufficiently popular, it can be used as the base of a more specific query. You want some huge honker coomer slop, but now it’s time to refine the search so that the well-endowed Twilight shares the image with Applejack or Lonestar.
- Building a watch list. Functions similarly to 3, but generally not used as the base search for future refinements. Watching
large breasts, ts, (solo || straight)might get you close. I’ve found niche tags have their greatest use here. - Finding that one image you sort of remember from 5 years ago. Here’s where the niche tags being undertagged is a problem. You append
headlight sparkleto the query b/c you remember it featured Twilight with some notable honkers, but it returns no relevant results due to the uploader not adding that specific tag. In fact, they added no tag about relative breast size at all. Removing that tag from the query returns 2600 results. Even if you have the time to scroll through them all, is it a worthwhile use of Derpi’s bandwidth budget to serve all the off-target images?
tl;dr: 1 doesn’t use the intersection tags, 2–4 still mostly work if they’re undertagged, only 5 is actively harmed
@T6J2E5
…and there are the tag autists who add them. I wouldn’t expect a new character-specific “intersection” tag to take off today. However, because people felt it useful to make specific tags for boobs & butts 12 years ago, those tags became part of the tagging culture. IMO, the biggest missed opportunity from before I joined here is that
…and there are the tag autists who add them. I wouldn’t expect a new character-specific “intersection” tag to take off today. However, because people felt it useful to make specific tags for boobs & butts 12 years ago, those tags became part of the tagging culture. IMO, the biggest missed opportunity from before I joined here is that
Pinkie Pie (EqG) isn’t a separate character tag from Pinkie Pie. Or, alternately, there wasn’t a tag for FiM-style ponies in widespread use back then (to allow for searches for EqG && FiM to find EqG+pony interactions). LightningBolt
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Counterpoint: Every single boob related tag is useless as people tag them on literally any size breasts and defeat the point of them and make all of them pointless, and the only reason we let the unified ones remain is because people would riot on the streets if they were entirely nuked.
Counterpoint: Every single boob related tag is useless as people tag them on literally any size breasts and defeat the point of them and make all of them pointless, and the only reason we let the unified ones remain is because people would riot on the streets if they were entirely nuked.
I’ll start caring about other people’s jerk off sessions when I can actually properly filter out what I don’t want to see when I want to look at stuff, thanks.
Ciaran 
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@LightningBolt is right. That shouldn’t even need to be said, she is basically one of the gods of tagging on this site.
Also, galleries exist and people should use them.
Maybe my opinion about all of this ‘tagging granularity’ discussion is because I’m spending so much time dealing with people tagging such specific and granular fetishes that they insist on only tagging something IF the image gets them off - like, “
rarity's boots but only if Twilight is wearing Rarity’s boots and only if Flash isn’t in the image because I hate him - also never used when Rarity is the one wearing Rarity’s boots because that’s just stupid”.I’m not saying all the tagging suggestions in the last couple of weeks have been of that level of ‘oh my god no’ - but I’m getting the feeling that some people aren’t capable of hearing what @LightningBolt is saying.
Just getting the useful tags on images is incredibly difficult sometimes. Hell - I forgot to tag Sonata as female on a recent upload. So - maybe let’s spend some energy fixing the misapplied or underused tags that affect thousands of images, instead of the tags that are only on, at best, two dozen.
LightningBolt
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@Ciaran
Thanks, and yeah, I am speaking with the knowledge that there are people here that really only seem to want to tag that expands dong. :P
Thanks, and yeah, I am speaking with the knowledge that there are people here that really only seem to want to tag that expands dong. :P
I’m not perfect either, I forget to tag race sometimes on my own uploads. I just try and make sure I don’t forget stuff like genders and fetishes. Not all tags are created equal, and I put such a huge emphasis on gender tagging as a lot of other tag issues would simply vanish if people would with 99.99% certainly ONLY find or filter out their preferred whatever of choice and THEN focus can be put on more complex things.
So, lets hypothetically say that some day, every single image uploaded prior and in the future has perfect basic tags. Gender is always there, if the image is fetishy or explicit, every specific kink is tagged flawlessly, we even have every character and OC ever tagged with a name. Now what? NOW is focus on more specific things like blue polka dot footie pajamas absolutely okay to seek out and tag as there is no longer any other pressing needs that should take higher priority.
And I have zero issue with more specific tags at all under a few conditions. Is the image being tagged with them properly tagged otherwise first? If not, add them, don’t just slap in
sexy when no one even tagged the butt yet. And thinking about others is so often lost with this kind of thinking. It’s “well I like it/don’t like it” okay, but does your specific niche tagging help other people or just you? If it’s just you, gallery. I don’t make myself a commissioner tag as I’m the only one that would benefit from it, I use a gallery for that. I also didn’t make a tag for my specific autism about Derpy being too gray or havign RD’s mane. I made a gallery for that. I do prioritize tagging genders and body parts when applicable as those are general and objective and can help anyone. I know even I miss tagging some things, but I make sure I at least get the important stuff first. Someone is not likely to throw a fit at seeing an untagged buttoned shirt.tl;dr Please think about other people when tagging and not just yourself. Tagging is a collaborative effort for everyone’s sake. Galleries are for selfish purposes.
Background Pony #52BA
As I and horse-emoji-username (before they changed their name to horse-emoji-username) have talked about before, if the site had some sort of feature to connect or associate tags, many of the combo tags would suddenly be obsolete. Every busty, butt, weight, muscular, futa, r63, and many ship tags, poof - just draw a line between the tags to group them together.
Background Pony #7C7A: Can you write a query for EQG or humanized Dash and pony Pinkie where Pinkie says “I didn’t expect that!”?
Not a great example, because that would be best served by a transcription feature, not tagging.
🐴: 1. Hide squicks. Generally don’t need the specific tags for these. I can’t think of many people who would only want to hide Twilight Sparkle with giant jugs, but are otherwise fine with the purple pony or big-breasted anthros.
Maybe not for Twilight, but I’ve definitely seen people in comments saying they like or dislike various common stereotypes for how people illustrate characters - flat Dash, busty Fluttershy, pudgy Pinkie in particular come to mind.
Of course, once people see such tags existing for the cases where there are distinct trends, they’ll go, “well I guess I better do the same for all the other characters”.
IMO, the biggest missed opportunity from before I joined here is thatPinkie Pie (EqG)isn’t a separate character tag fromPinkie Pie. Or, alternately, there wasn’t a tag for FiM-style ponies in widespread use back then (to allow for searches forEqG && FiMto find EqG+pony interactions).
I don’t understand this example, unless you mean you want to find specifically EqG Pinkie Pie, not pony Pinkie Pie, plus someone else who is a pony. Alternately, you kind of follow up by mentioning how “pony” was historically not in the tags (because before EqG, there was only one possibility for what a character could be if not also tagged with “species swap”) but that’s not something that requires EqG tags unique to every character.
LightningBolt]: Counterpoint: Every single boob related tag is useless as people tag them on literally any size breasts and defeat the point of them and make all of them pointless
That’s not how I observe people using them (apart from mistakes that may get corrected by others).
Ciaran: @LightningBolt is right. That shouldn’t even need to be said, she is basically one of the gods of tagging on this site.
And yet, I wind up disagreeing with them fairly often…
Just getting the useful tags on images is incredibly difficult sometimes. Hell - I forgot to tag Sonata as female on a recent upload. So - maybe let’s spend some energy fixing the misapplied or underused tags that affect thousands of images, instead of the tags that are only on, at best, two dozen.
The thing is, these basic tags are clear to understand and also a huge ongoing effort, so there’s both not much to discuss about them and they’re also daunting to approach. Naturally, topics that’ll get brought up in General Tag Discussion are going to be new or less clear, and approachable in scope.
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IRL 🎠 stallion
RE: gallery talk
I’m sure they’re great for personal use, but they’re clunky to share (and following galleries by others requires that they don’t quit the site). When I’m done with traveling, perhaps I can write a feature request for shared edit permissions for galleries.
I don’t use them much because I don’t see what benefit they have over
my:faves && <tag list here> for those uses.@LightningBolt
Are the butt focus tags any better than the boob tags? Whose butt(s) are in focus seems like it should be at least be more objective than breast sizes. Then again, nopony ever went broke underestimating the average user.
Are the butt focus tags any better than the boob tags? Whose butt(s) are in focus seems like it should be at least be more objective than breast sizes. Then again, nopony ever went broke underestimating the average user.
Staff can view how frequently tags are watched, spoilered, and hidden, right? Uses there are where I’d go to find whether the community finds them useful.
unless you mean you want to find specifically EqG Pinkie Pie, not pony Pinkie Pie, plus someone else who is a pony
Yes, that’d be one use. EqG+pony interaction. On the site’s default filter,
eqg, pp, rd, pony gives around 1060 results, for example.Naturally, topics that’ll get brought up in General Tag Discussion are going to be new or less clear, and approachable in scope.
Don’t remind me of my manager assignments at work. I only ever see the truly bizarre examples because my employees handle the simple examples, and their supervisors handle the slightly weird ones.
Ciaran
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If it helps, I think part of the reason you keep hearing staff say “That’s what galleries are for” is when we find people making tags like you find on
If it helps, I think part of the reason you keep hearing staff say “That’s what galleries are for” is when we find people making tags like you find on
Invalid Tag we try to get them to use galleries instead.And, in a lot of ways, THOSE kinds of tags, like
boots on couch and sonata dusk in applejack's clothes are some of the reasons that Galleries were created in the first place.So many of the tagging issues we work on here - sometimes spending MONTHS working on them - are because one person has “that one thing” they want to see, so they add their own vanity tag to it so they can always find it.
Are the butt focus tags any better than the boob tags? Whose butt(s) are in focus seems like it should be at least be more objective than breast sizes. Then again, nopony ever went broke underestimating the average user.
Ok, this is a great example of ‘not something that involves galleries’.
I am SUCH a fervent butt aficionado that I would LOVE a way to dial up just images of specific poses with specific characters. But … are tags like
bon butt useful for others?I’m using
bon butt as an example because it is what I like to call “well established” - staff have actually been aliasing other tags into it, and it’s been here for at least 12 years - so it has something like an “official existence” on this site. But out of ~300 images tagged bon butt only 4 of them are butt focus. And when you look at -butt tags, you quickly see we don’t have similar tags for other characters - even popular ones. For example there’s no sonata butt tag.So … is
bon butt the kind of tag that’s so useful other people might want to use it? Or is it the kind of tag that all characters with a butt focus image should have? Or is it a tag that could be made more generalized? Or is it something that a few people have been using for their specific fetish that the tag is so bespoke that it doesn’t have a more generalized meaning for others?By comparison, we have the
flutterbutt tag. Its definition is “Fluttershy butt focus tag”, but less than 2% of the images with that tag also have the butt focus tag. So why is the character-specific tag for butt focus not also tagged butt focus? Shouldn’t people searching for fluttershy, butt focus also be finding flutterbutt images? I think so … but today they won’t. fluttershy, butt focus only has 142 images on it, and flutterbutt has 8726.And if you extend that comparison to
fluttershy, solo, butt focus versus flutterbutt, solo, it just gets worse.I’m not saying that either of those tags should be ‘fixed’ - but I am saying that we don’t have a standard for the spelling of that tag is it ‘space-butt’ or just ‘butt’?
• [character name] butt
• [character name]butt
• [character name]butt
And should that tag be implying
butt focus or not? And if not, then what’s the purpose of butt focus?The tags I’m talking about are on the thousands of images, some upwards of ~10K, so standardizing these like we did with
busty [character] or ship: [name] might be a good idea. But anyone trying to do that should probably expect to spend the next few years working on it.For me, the “-butt” tags do seem like a nicely segregated set. It’s not fully disjoint, but the interactions with other tags are the kinds of things you could probably reduce with just a dozen hours of pondering.
It’s similar to what I’m currently trying to do with “-boots” … but that project is hampered by some very enthusiastic people who have incredibly specific fetishes that don’t sync well with ‘other people also using these tags’, so everything I do to move that project forward just triggers them.
Staff can view how frequently tags are watched, spoilered, and hidden, right? Uses there are where I’d go to find whether the community finds them useful.
It’s possible, but the layout is not … easy … to get numbers out of. I have to copy/paste the output into an IDE to get a ‘count’ of ‘uses’. So it’s possible, but takes dicking around.
bon butt is used on 307 images, in 8 filters and is watched by 125 people.flutterbutt is used on 8727 images, in approximately 72 filters and is watched by 1608 people. Background Pony #7C7A
People barely even label things as pony, let alone what’s going on there.
This is one of the main reasons why I started thinking about AI tagging. Imagine if species, race, gender, character count, some characters, portrait/bust/half body/full body, etc. would be tagged automatically. It would require supervision (especially at the beginning), but it’s much easier to just go through multiple pages of stallion and mark the mistakes than it is to tag them all yourself. The workload could also be distributed - regular users could get tag suggestions from AI and would accept or decline them with one click, without typing the tag names.
@Ciaran
Some of those character-butt images might be tagged butt only instead of butt focus. And I just realized that butt only should imply butt focus. Since the implication is by definition, it should be safe to tag them retroactively - if butt focus doesn’t apply then butt only doesn’t apply even more.
Some of those character-butt images might be tagged butt only instead of butt focus. And I just realized that butt only should imply butt focus. Since the implication is by definition, it should be safe to tag them retroactively - if butt focus doesn’t apply then butt only doesn’t apply even more.
What is the tag/English name for this kind of striped roll?
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@Background Pony #7C7A
Everybody always jumps to AI as a solution but doesn’t actually explain how that will work. I’ve fucked with AI, it assumes most of my characters are female.
Everybody always jumps to AI as a solution but doesn’t actually explain how that will work. I’ve fucked with AI, it assumes most of my characters are female.
Background Pony #52BA
I thought Derpibooru didn’t do the “invalid tag” thing besides a small blacklist…yet it’s been there for about a year…how haven’t I noticed?
Ciaran: […]Invalid Tag[…]
I thought Derpibooru didn’t do the “invalid tag” thing besides a small blacklist…yet it’s been there for about a year…how haven’t I noticed?And when you look at -butt tags, you quickly see we don’t have similar tags for other characters - even popular ones. For example there’s nosonata butttag.
That tag is “sonata donk” (750)
I’m also finding a few that exist for the purpose but lack the tag “butt” as an implication. I’ll make a thread. [edit] made a thread
Anyway, I’m not quite sure whether your point was about character-butt tags as a topic generally, or about tags that specifically and literally contain the word “butt” in the tag name. Your post seemed to kind of drift from the former to the latter and back.
And should that tag be implyingbutt focusor not? And if not, then what’s the purpose ofbutt focus?
To me, there’s a discrepancy in the way the same word, “focus”, is being used. In my opinion, “character’s butt” tags indicate “if this character’s butt interests you, this image may be something you’d want to see”. “Focus” is overstating things, but probably used for the sake of brevity in short tag descriptions. The “butt focus” tag itself, along with other “body part focus” tags, I interpret for use when the part in question takes up so much of the image that it is overwhelmingly the most important feature of the image - there’s little else to appreciate in it.
(BP#7C7A also brought up “body part only”, which is even more tunnel-visioned to the extreme, often not having anything else illustrated at all.)
Background Pony #7C7A: What is the tag/English name for this kind of striped roll?
I found a lot of Google results calling them “rolled wafer” or sometimes “wafer roll” (I searched first for “wafer straw”). Many, but not all, feature helical stripes.
Background Pony #7C7A
@LightningBolt
It could try to deduce it from muzzle shapes, eyelashes, hips, etc. like we do today. It’s hard due to various styles and existence of gender swaps. This is kinda hard even for humans TBF, sometimes only the artist knows. This is also why I suggested human approval of these tags.
It could try to deduce it from muzzle shapes, eyelashes, hips, etc. like we do today. It’s hard due to various styles and existence of gender swaps. This is kinda hard even for humans TBF, sometimes only the artist knows. This is also why I suggested human approval of these tags.
BTW what AI did you try for this purpose?
@Background Pony #52BA
Thank you! We have no
Thank you! We have no
wafer roll tag, but when searching for wafer *, I found a wafer sticks tag. LightningBolt
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@Background Pony #7C7A
Hope you know that my main focus is in
Hope you know that my main focus is in
explicit images where specific anatomy makes that obvious 99% of the time and all for the sake of people being able to filter/find what they want… Ciaran
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That tag is “sonata donk” (750)
I thought Derpibooru didn’t do the “invalid tag” thing
It’s ever so handy when people will not stop.
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IRL 🎠 stallion
@LightningBolt
AI for suggesting gender & species may work for artists who aim for show-accuracy, but I easily foresee it fucking up for artists who aim for cutesy & unique (assumes they’re all mares) or go for hardcore
AI for suggesting gender & species may work for artists who aim for show-accuracy, but I easily foresee it fucking up for artists who aim for cutesy & unique (assumes they’re all mares) or go for hardcore
hoers (incorrect male tags galore). I have to agree with you on this one.tag blacklist
Most of these make sense, even if it’s a bit of a killjoy not to be able to follow the
drama in the comments tag. However, what’s the story of solo oc being blackholed instead of merely aliased to oc only, solo?sonata donk
I strongly agree with Ciaran’s mention that some kind of standardization is needed for these. May I propose a
plot: prefix. Perhaps butt focus: if “plot” is too non-boring.To me, there’s a discrepancy in the way the same word, “focus”, is being used. In my opinion, “character’s butt” tags indicate “if this character’s butt interests you, this image may be something you’d want to see”.
- Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-imply
butt focus? - “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of the
stupid sexy character(or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. Thesexyandadorabletags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.
invalid tag
- Thank you for providing a concrete example of the nonsense.
- Are these literally all about clothing swaps? I only saw
blackwashingand fimroots’ artist tag as the non-clothes items in the alias list. - That list has me thinking about the thicket of
ridingandX on Y actiontags. The “action” tags are probably better served byX, Y, interspecies, explicitbecausehuman on griffon actionis distinct fromgryphon on human action(but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly. - That list further cements my stereotype that EqG-exclusive enjoyers have the highest density of special needs cases out of all the segments of this fandom.
butt tags
(answered the bits about standardized naming & the baffling lack of implication for
butt focus on the character butt tags) in replying to 52BA.use of butt tags
For me, it’s because character tags do nothing to specify which character has focus and the
solo tag excludes too many images that happen to contain background characters. To continue your bon butt example, even bon bon, butt focus, solo focus will return plenty of off-target results where Bon Bon is a background pony and it’s somepony else’s butt in focus.Actually, I just went to check this and was immediately hit with your earlier point about the
butt focus tag itself being used less often than the character-specific variations. I found too few examples to generalize from b/c neither butt focus nor solo focus seem to be tagged often enough. LightningBolt
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Most of these make sense, even if it’s a bit of a killjoy not to be able to follow thedrama in the commentstag. However, what’s the story ofsolo ocbeing blackholed instead of merely aliased tooc only, solo?
You cannot alias something into two tags.
sonata donkI strongly agree with Ciaran’s mention that some kind of standardization is needed for these. May I propose aplot:prefix. Perhapsbutt focus:if “plot” is too non-boring.
Plot is a pony only term…
To me, there’s a discrepancy in the way the same word, “focus”, is being used. In my opinion, “character’s butt” tags indicate “if this character’s butt interests you, this image may be something you’d want to see”.
- Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-imply
butt focus?- “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of the
stupid sexy character(or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. Thesexyandadorabletags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.
There is zero use to those tags as whatever additions they have are 100% subjective and opinionated.
invalid tag
- That list has me thinking about the thicket of
ridingandX on Y actiontags. The “action” tags are probably better served byX, Y, interspecies, explicitbecausehuman on griffon actionis distinct fromgryphon on human action(but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.
I’d argue those are few of the actually GOOD and USEFUL compound tags, and all the other garbage is just that, fucking garbage.
butt tags(answered the bits about standardized naming & the baffling lack of implication forbutt focuson the character butt tags) in replying to 52BA.use of butt tagsFor me, it’s because character tags do nothing to specify which character has focus and thesolotag excludes too many images that happen to contain background characters. To continue yourbon buttexample, evenbon bon, butt focus, solo focuswill return plenty of off-target results where Bon Bon is a background pony and it’s somepony else’s butt in focus.
Literally a case of the tags being pointless outside of the specific situation where a person would throw a fit if they looked for
bonbon, butt and saw Lyra’s butt instead.
Toastypk
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You know all the tags about specific characters’ plots, etc, I like those. Sometimes those can be funny, too.
Stingerbutt is for Sky Stinger for instance. I’ve added that to images before.
Background Pony #52BA
Yeah, about a quarter of the “character butt” tags don’t end with the word “butt”.
🐴: 1. Is this way the various character butt tags don’t auto-implybutt focus?
If my interpretation is correct, then yes, it would be. Or were you asking for somebody else to confirm the “if”?
LightningBolt: You cannot alias something into two tags.
Indeed not; I have feature-requested it in the past, though.
🐴: 2. “If this… interests you, here’s something you’d want to see.” That’s the best defense of thestupid sexy character(or cuteness) tags I’ve seen. Thesexyandadorabletags by themselves are, at best, useless dogshit. However, the character-specific tags function like a collaborative super-gallery. I got much use of those tags building my watchlist when I was newer to this site (and straighter). I’ve outgrown them since, but they’re useful to filter for generic pleasing aesthetics in a way that sorting by score or faves does not.There is zero use to those tags as whatever additions they have are 100% subjective and opinionated.For me, it’s because character tags do nothing to specify which character has focus and thesolotag excludes too many images that happen to contain background characters. To continue yourbon buttexample, evenbon bon, butt focus, solo focuswill return plenty of off-target results where Bon Bon is a background pony and it’s somepony else’s butt in focus.Literally a case of the tags being pointless outside of the specific situation where a person would throw a fit if they looked forbonbon, buttand saw Lyra’s butt instead.
Did you really just reply to “I find these useful, here is why I find these useful” (regarding tags with thousands of tagged posts by many users) with “no, they are actually useless”? How, even..?
3. That list has me thinking about the thicket ofridingandX on Y actiontags. The “action” tags are probably better served byX, Y, interspecies, explicitbecausehuman on griffon actionis distinct fromgryphon on human action(but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.I’d argue those are few of the actually GOOD and USEFUL compound tags, and all the other garbage is just that, fucking garbage.
So, some hyper-specific, low-use tags meet your approval and other hyper-specific, low-use tags don’t? I mean, I also feel the same way - just that it seems utterly incompatible with your argument that because there are bigger tagging issues to pay attention to, small tagging interests should be completely ignored.
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Did you really just reply to “I find these useful, here is why I find these useful” (regarding tags with thousands of tagged posts by many users) with “no, they are actually useless”? How, even..?
Useful to one person’s specific tastes, perhaps, but universally, what do the tags actually mean? Can anyone define them without using the words in the tags themselves?
3. That list has me thinking about the thicket ofridingandX on Y actiontags. The “action” tags are probably better served byX, Y, interspecies, explicitbecausehuman on griffon actionis distinct fromgryphon on human action(but people are not consistent with that, or there’s no obvious dominant partner). Riding tags function similarly.I’d argue those are few of the actually GOOD and USEFUL compound tags, and all the other garbage is just that, fucking garbage.So, some hyper-specific, low-use tags meet your approval and other hyper-specific, low-use tags don’t? I mean, I also feel the same way - just that it seems utterly incompatible with your argument that because there are bigger tagging issues to pay attention to, small tagging interests should be completely ignored.
Not everything is basic tags = good, compound tags = bad. There’s no way to really make a specific statement that’s definitive and encompasses all. I personally really like the
horn and wings tags but also accept that most people don’t and that I don’t expect others to tag them or worry about them and I would never ding someone for not tagging them.Interested in advertising on Derpibooru? Click here for information!
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