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I remember someone saying that either MA Larson or Big Jim Miller had stated that they would like to let Spike have a permanent growth by season 8. I’m really hoping that’s the case.
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According to the show, a young dragon who loses control of his greed goes through some unnatural sudden growth that can be suddenly reversed when they stop being greedy. It was never stated this is the “only” way dragons grow. And now with what we know its gonna happen, its finally confirmed that it is really not how they’re supposed to grow. Also, supressing the instinct was never hinted to stunt growth. That’s from fanfiction land.
It still won’t matter because not only is it doubtful they’ll ever have a big enough timeskip, but also since dragons are supposed to live for millenia the writers can just make their baby and teen phases last for as long as they want, like hundreds of years.
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Yeah, and those eastern dragons are symbolic of great wisdom, of which even “common man” knowledge seems to be Spike’s forte.
@Spikey
Yeah, Spike’s never had wings in any variation of MLP and this is a rather underwhelming “special development” for him, when, as I said, it’s a blank check to do any sort of things with Spike, but they just do the most mundane thing with him.
I did some research on dragons, it appears there are two subspecies of dragons:
The European dragon, derived from European folk traditions and ultimately related to Balkans and Western Asian mythologies. Most are depicted as reptilian creatures with animal-level intelligence, and are uniquely six-limbed (four legs and a separate set of wings).
The Chinese dragon, with counterparts in Japan (namely the Japanese dragon), Korea and other East Asian and South Asian countries. Most are depicted as serpentine creatures with above-average intelligence, and are quadrupeds (four legs and wingless).
No wonder why you take this seriously, Spike have always been a wingless dragon, just look at the previous generations of him. Giving him wings kinda comes out of nowhere since we never see him complain about it.
Yep that about sums up this while problem, seriously tho I really wish they could have done spike some good an made him special unlike most dragons we’ve already seen seriously I would have even accepted something relating to the time he touched the dragon lord’s scepter but nah we got not even that
The basis here is a comparison to someone like Scootaloo, who is a pegasus and desires to fly, because that is their nature, or Tempest, who is a unicorn and desires to use magic because that is a unicorn’s nature. Spike has had a Nat 0 desire to fly. A bird will want to flap their ineffective wings until they can fly, and so on. You’re confusing “talent” with “baseline instinct and nature”.
No it wasn’t. Only if we knew for a fact where he came from, but the most we know is that Celestia had his egg. Where did Celestia get the egg? Did Celestia raid a nest? Did Scorpan gift it to her from across the lands? Was it found in a tomb? Never said. Why wasn’t Spike born with wings? Is he a different subspecies of dragon? Why is this of significance that the other dragons have to point this out all the time? Never said. There is nothing to indicate Spike is a “normal” dragon. Much less so when he did this:
your current filter.Look at the wings on that! …Oh yeah, he doesn’t have wings, still, even after his growth. So, uh, where is this “proof” he “should” have wings? It doesn’t exist and any heresay for him to HAVE wings is even more based in headcanon than him going without since the only times we have seen him “grow”, he still lacks wings.
Lets add t it that none of the dragons ever said “He doesn’t have wings YET” That one little word would have let us go “oh, it’s a growth thing”, but it was never said, because they didn’t intend to give him any.
And now that he has wings, he should just kick Ember out of the dragonland and be the new dragonlord because we don’t need her to be that bridge anymore, right? You said it yourself; “he seems to be the bridge between dragons and ponies”, so why not put him in a role where he can enforce the unruly dragons into submission? Oh, right, can’t do that. Because then we won’t have our buttmonkey!
It’s called a Blank Check. Your friend got this blank check and you can start writing numbers on it and you’ll get it. So you rub your hands together, your friend grabs that pen and they write Five dollars on it.
We could have had Spike with a great deal more significance, even a plot focused on how he’s quite important to equestria. Twilight got it and now there is a fun new dynamic that the show can use for various episode structures. But Spike doesn’t even having any significance beyond being a pony raised dragon.
After all, what do the wings let him do to aid the main cast? Fly? nah, RD, Fluttershy, Twilight, and even Starlight got him beat. Fire? Nah, unicorns have various magic and can even start fires with it, so that’s low end. Strength? he’s somewhat strong but AJ and RD outclass him in all manner.
His skill has been mental, has been rooted in being a team organizing nugget of wisdom and a straight man to ground Twilight, and now, by proxy, Starlight and the others. Adding wings doesn’t help with this.
TL:DR: Wings on Spike is a change that basically only snubs out his future potential by robbing the uniqueness from him to be greater than “just a dragon” as it’s not enough of a change.
I don’t understand why Spike needed to express a desire for stereotypical dragon things for this to make sense?
What does it have to do with growing up? Boys don’t have to dream about becoming tenors when they grow up for their voices to become deeper as they age. So they didn’t need to make it a special destiny thing, or an achieving your goals thing. Its just him getting older and reaching the dragon version of puberty apparently. Which is fine.
He’s not a unicorn like Twilight, a race that isn’t supposed to fly, that had to make gaining wings a grandiose event. He’s from a race that more often than not (almost always in fact) has wings as a normal part of their anatomy. So outside of people’s individual headcanons and prefferences, Spike growing wings was a normal thing to expect from his natural development.
And he’s still unique for me. He’s the only dragon raised by ponies. His personality is completely different from the rest of them (which gets pointed out all the time), and seems to be the bridge between dragons and ponies, who for who knows how long have never understood each other.
Also, him having wings like other dragons doesn’t automatically close any possibilities of his past/origins being explored in a special way either. Why would only lacking wings make that possibile? If they truly planned to do something with that (which I doubt was ever a plan, sadly), then they could still do it. Not having wings like the rest of his race wasn’t the only thing they could use to make him special.
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That’s part of what I’m saying; his origins were enough and he doesn’t fly. Wow, look, he rejects the vices all other dragons live by and he shows no desire to have what the dragons have; flight? leadership? power? He wants none of it. He just wants Rarity.
@TheAmazingPeanuts
Maybe it’s some message of getting thrown something you don’t want when you’re growing up or something stupid like that. Regardless, a lot of potential is thrown away with this move.
Like I said before, I not too crazy about it either, but just like Twilight we have to get used to it.
I don’t think he needed any of that anyway.
Being pony-raised was enough.
Really, the only positive thing that can come of it is that the Wings become something that Rarity is actually enamored with.
I’ve not sen the leaks, I refuse to see them until proper airdate, so I don’t know if anything else about him changes (and I don’t really want to until I see the episode).
As it stands, I’m not happy at all with the decision because it’s both drastic, but pointless. Basically drastic in the wrong direction for the wrong reason.
Now Spike is… just another Dragon.
He’s not something special, no special sub species, no legendary potential, nothing like that.
I suppose the part of it that I’m most upset about is that Spike had all this potential, they could to do so much with him, and they pick the most dull, boring, mundane thing to do with him, but they pick one that changes him in a negative direction that snubs out the potential of anything later coming to fruition.
At least Spike still have his crush on Rarity in the episode, we haven’t see that for awhile.
As in it was even more baseless and pointless to do than I first assumed?
Look, compare it to the initial idea in this thread of him simply getting a bit bigger. That’s not a drastic change, just a nice little nod that he’s growing and it doesn’t throw anything stupid in the mix. If they wanted to tackle the whole ’growing up” idea, then they had a perfectly fine way to do it without doing something as silly as going full THANKS M. A. LARSEN for… a puberty lesson?
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I don’t think the episode was supposed to be related to Spike’s goals at all. It was just a natural part of him growing up, something he’s never really put much serious thought into.@Daneasaur
Twilight becoming a princess was planned and a goal. Yes the execution was sloppy but there it was and things are fine.
The CMC had a goal to get their cutie marks and after 5 seasons, they got them.
Spike has only had one “goal” in his life; Winning Rarity. He has no other passions or drives in life. What does adding wings do? Nothing but cause fighting in the fandom, really.
It’s going to be insufferable; there were he people who, ya know, watch the episodes and use the evidence gleamed from them (no wings) and the people who do nothing but want spyro back/have flights of fancy (wings). Now the people who had completely baseless headcanons of flying Spike are never gonna shut up and scream “they were right all along”…
On the plus side, we’ll be getting a slew of edits of this scene.
Plus his whole ordeal was over and the danger passed.
No because Twilight tells him that they aren’t in the Dragonlands where dragons leave their homes once they got wings. They live in Ponyville and they are family.
No, he becomes Wart.
So he sprouts a wart?
Yeah, its amazing how much the music adds to the experience.
I probably like it a lot more if it wasn’t for the no music and sound, but it’s is a good Spike episode.
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I honestly loved the episode. 2nd favorite spike episode, easily.