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@Barhandar  
I mean sure, I understand that in theory perfect tagging of “nudity” and “partial nudity” will do the trick, but in the reality the way people are tagging “nudity” is really really messy. Even things like this (>>1887606 >>1883463) are getting tagged, and these aren’t going to be filtered out by “partial nudity”, unless we are going to stretch the definition of “partual nudity” really far. And not to mention actual misstagging (>>1897236 >>1897317 >>1688261) which is pretty common. “The culture of tagging” that would lead to “nudity,!partial nudity” perfectly filtering out all the clothes and leaving only full nudity just isn’t there and in 6 years it hasn’t appeared. So how exactly are you going to enforce better tagging of those things now?
 
There’s also a rare case where one character is fully nude while the other is only partially. This kind of image will have “partial nudity” as a tag and it will be filtered out by “nudity,!partial nudity” even though it has full body nudity, which person using this search query might want to see. I know it’s a rare situation, but error is an error, and using “complete nudity” as a separate tag won’t lead to this kind of bug.

@Background Pony #55F1  
>results of “complete nudity” and “nudity,!partial nudity” aren’t the same
 
Hence “tag partial nudity better”.

@Barhandar  
Well, results of “complete nudity” and “nudity,!partial nudity” aren’t the same, and “complete nudity” is what I was getting at with “nude”, while “nudity,!partial nudity” returns some funky results. I think “nudity,!clothes” is much closer to being a replacement for “complete nudity”, but I’m actually in favor of “complete nudity” being a separate tag. It is however underutilised, so currently it isn’t a reliable tag to filter by, but at least I can add it and it works.

@Zeb  
“complete nudity” is a tag you’re biased in favor of despite it being added by one user and being entirely replaceable by “nudity,!partial nudity” and better tagging of said “partial nudity”.

@Zeb  
Really? I didn’t know it was an actively used tag. Well, now it’s just getting embarrassing for me. Thought “nude” was working up until now; didn’t know “complete nudity” was even a tag. I’m sorry guys, for my outburst and my dumbness. And thanks.

@Background Pony #55F1  
Well then you’d want to be using complete nudity then. Since that’s the only tag for what you’re describing and nudity was always used on both fully nude and not-fully nude.

@LightningBolt  
Not exactly. This is nudity, while this is nude. Nudity could mean topless, bottomless, male nipples, ect. While nude could mean full body nudity. At least this is how tag could be working and could be usefull, and I think this is how it used to work (but I’m slightly crazy, so who knows).

@Background Pony #55F1  
It means the same thing as nudity.

@Zeb  
Okay, I understand now what was happening. I was adding both “nude” and “nudity” at the same time, and it was adding “nudity” while ignoring “nude”, but since my filter was set up to filter specific combinations of “x + nudity” it seemed to me like “nude” was working this entire time. So I am going slightly crazy.
 
That said, I still don’t see a good reason why “nude” can’t be it’s own tag.

@Background Pony #55F1  
Yeah, just go to your profile and you should see a link near the top that says “Tag changes”

@Zeb  
Can I look up my own tag changes history? Cause, if I’m going crazy I would like to know. But I’m pretty sure I was adding “nude” not as far as 6 month ago and it was working.

Cool…  

@Background Pony #55F1  
I checked your tag changes going back about 6 months. At a glance the only tags I’ve seen you use on this topic have been nudity and partial nudity. I don’t know what to tell you man.
 

 
No, that just means it’s merged into another tag.

@Zeb  
But why then I used to add nude to tags and now I can’t? “Nude” was a tag before, I’m not crazy here (am I?), now it isn’t even in the tag list.
 
edit: It is in the tag list: “nude (0)”, so it’s a disabled tag, or whatever these are called.

I’m not sure what tags you’ve been using. But Naked and nudity have been aliased together for about 6 years now. You can see the most recent tag changes on it were from then: https://www.derpibooru.org/tags/naked/tag_changes  
https://www.derpibooru.org/tags/nude/tag_changes
 
 
And as LightningBolt mentioned: We’ve had Complete nudity for nearly a year now and Partial nudity for several years.
 

 
Merging is what aliasing means. They’ve been one tag for 6 years.

@LightningBolt  
They were aliased for years, but not merged. The reason why I noticed now is because for some reasons full nudity started showing up, even though I know that I filtered “nude”, and when I went to add nude to the tags I wasn’t able to anymore. I’m pretty sure not so long ago nude was still a tag of it’s own. Now it isn’t.
 
Yes, partial nudity is still a tag and still works, but nudity now has both full nudity and barely nudity. “Nudity, -partial nudity” is a very funky search result.

The tag has been like that for years… Also complete nudity and partial nudity exist.

Okay, I’ve made a very messy filter that maybe does the job. Most of the time. But I still don’t get why. It was fine without the merging.

TL;DR: Unmerge “nudity” and “nude”/“naked”, please. It was a bad idea.
 
And now for the long version.
 
I’m genuinely starting to get upset about the nudity situation on the site. (also, I’m this guy)
 
At first I was confused why rating tags are changing, but after much discussion I came to terms with it and was like “okay, definitions of ratings are changing, so rating tags are now useless to me, but I can still make filters the way I want, so I’m just gonna do that”. But now “nude” and “naked” tags have merged with “nudity”, so now I can’t make the filters the way I want, because “nudity” historically wasn’t meaning “nude” or “fully naked”, people were putting all sorts of things into the nudity tag, partial nudity, male nipples, undressing, ect. But now it’s all merged with “nude” and “naked” which historically was used for full nudity on humans (and anthros). So now I would have to either filter the nudity tag entirely and miss out of a bunch of content that isn’t even remotely nude enough to filter, or I would have to just have full nudity showing up everywhere. I can’t separate “any kind of nudity” from “full nudity on humans” in filter. It’s now impossible. And just… why? Why?! What is the win here? What is the gain? Why this change has to be made? If I didn’t know better, I would think that you’re trying to fuck over me specifically. If I didn’t know any better, which I do, so I don’t think that, but it still feels that way. Mostly I genuinely struggle to think of any good reason for this merge. It was fine without the merging and even was helpful to have these things separately. So why?
 
And also, if you’re about to say: “people will adjust and will start using nudity as “fully nude”,” - no. Just: no. You know why? Because all cataloge prior to this isn’t tagged that way. Even if all people this instance get it and start doing that, who will retag all previous backlog? You? Me? Nobody is the answer. And that’s my problem will all the changes to the tags, including rating tags, is that, sure, you’re changing the way tags are working with a hope that it will be better in the future, but you have a huge backlog that now have tags that don’t make any fucking sense and filtering becomes a god damn mess.
 
So now we have a backlog where people used to put nudity wherever they felt like it, just when it’s something remotely bare or naked, and now it’s all in one mess with full nudity. Great. Fuckinnn’ GREAT!
 
Some great full body nudity over here: >>152619 >>190753 >>180739 >>1103276 >>1082101 >>1595034 >>1880353 >>1882687. All these are results of searching “nude”. Didn’t used to be like that. Why it’s like that. Please unmerge.