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EDIT for current consensus:
Hippogriff should apply to both types.
G4 and the like should get the "Classical Hippogriff" subtag
The Cirrus variety should get its own separate undecided subtag
Suggestions include: griffequus, equigriff, demigriff, griffasus


Also for those mad at me for changing the tags so hastily I apologize, but Joey has a full explanation of what happened.


This is something that’s bugged me for a while, but we have primarily two different distinct species tagged under the hippogryph tag. We have partial hippogryphs like Cirrus:

Note that the only thing ’griffon’ about them is the talons, or sometimes paws on their forelegs, and sometimes the tail.

And we have real hippogriffs like we have in the movie:

They have the entire front half of a gryphon, from beak to foreclaws.

Before the movie happened, one could argue that ’Well, we haven’t seen hippogriffs in the show, so who knows what they look like.’ Now though, we have a pretty clear clear idea of that and I feel these two species should be separated out.
On top of that, hippogriffs in the movie also line up with what hippogryphs from mythology line up to be, adding a further point towards separating out the two species, so one can easily find one, or the other, depending on what you’re looking for.
Finally, even Cirrus, who’s sort of the archetype who popularized that particular look has admitted that he’s not really a hippogriff.
’But like, instead of pony x gryphon it’s hippogriff x pony. So more pony attributes, That’s my reasoning anyway!’

And, while you might be wondering, what do we call this new species, and well, equestria Prevails has given us a name in the past, grifling, and seeing no other name, I think its a fine one to adopt, though I think it looks more aesthetically pleasing as griffling.

That way, the two species can be separated out, its easier on everyone for searching and tagging purposes, and well, as I’ve shown, they arent really hippogriffs anyways, so we should be tagging them properly.
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The "larger" Gryphon
It’s pretty clear that the pony on the first image is NOT a Hippogryph. Being tagged as one makes no sense to me. A Hippogryph, even going back to mythology, is a being consisting of the front half of a gryphon and the backhalf of a horse. The definition for it is pretty clear. Going to say a "Horse with claws" Is a hippogryph is not a stretch of definition, but a total missinterpretation of the concept. I could go on an ramble for serveral paragraphs but I’m just gonna opt to say. Those things should be kept in seperate tags.

Hippogryph = Gryphon FRONT Horse BACKSIDE
(Gryphling) Don’t fully agree on ’Griffing’ but as I do not concern myself with naming that… I’ll just go with that. = Horse x little ammounts of bird features

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Makes a lot of sense. Have movie-style ones and more mythologically accurate characters (for example Silver Quill) under the hippogriff tag, the other style under griffling (or if that name doesn’t fly, ponygriff is an alternative, though a little close to hippogriff) and that ought to keep things better organised.

Also of interest, the hippogriffs in canon are described as being part bird and part horse/pony (don’t recall which term precisely was used), so unlike some griffling OCs that exist they’re not meant to be crossbreeds between ponies and griffons.
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"Front half of a griffon, back of a pony" is coming dangerously close to "a lion with head of a pigeon and body of a pigeon", because canon griffons are already front-half-bird-back-half-cat.

I vote "horsebird" and "clawhorse" for canon and fanon hippogriffs respectively.

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Given the fanon hippogriffs aren’t meant to be crossbreeds between ponies and griffons either, the topic, uh, starts to lack point.
Mythological bonus: griffons have all four legs of a lion, so canon griffons aren’t griffons either, they’re birdcats.
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Mostly the reason why I said front half gryphon, is because I"ve seen some with paws instead of claws for some reason.

And I think its a reasonable distinction to draw. Creatures like cirrus are very distinct than ones like Silver Quill or the new princess. On top of that, its not as if either of them are a one off aberration, but both archetypes are pretty common. Though if you want to insist on having a supertag hippogriff, and then a subtag of which type, I suppose I could accept that too, sort of like what happens with the futa tag and all its subgroups.

As far as your mythological bit, its actually a bit indecisive. You’ll find depictions with 4 claws, 4 paws, and 2 front claws and 2 hind paws.

Claws and paws (Perugia Griffin):


4 claws (Pomeranian Crest):


4 paws (Crimean crest [this is admittedly more recent…so maybe not 4 paws in ancient sources.])
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Cirrus at least has mentioned on his Tumblr that the character is a crossbreed between a griffon and a pony.

And as Gyro says, depictions of griffons in art, mythology and heraldry are inconsistent to say the least, but as far as hippogriffs go I’ve yet to see one outside the fandom that looks like Cirrus.
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RE:my previous post, it wasn’t posted on his own Tumblr but here instead: https://denzeltip.tumblr.com/post/160456925171/
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Propose tagging the horse-headed variant "griffling" and aliasing "grifling," "ponygriff," and "ponygryph" to it as suggested (along with any other spelling variants necessary).

This is something that’s been on my radar for a few years now, but until the movie made them canon there was little traction for change.
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Basically why I waited so long too. I didnt think I could successfully argue this gripe until the movie.
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Can you update tags on a few of the griffling pics and then i’ll add descriptions to both that and the hippogriff tag?
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Might be easier to revert tag changes if you can do that on your side. I’m here because uhh…Well I got told off for not taking it here first, and all my changes were reverted :P

https://derpibooru.org/tags/griffling/tag_changes
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Alright cheezedoodle, all grifflings have been tagged correctly.

If you would, think you could nuke my:hidden for me? I had to hide a lot of images that I’d rather see, but needed to hide to quickly run my macro.
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Do we know what the OC owners call them? Also it would have made so much more sense to make this thread BEFORE you added all these tags because now everyone has to just agree anyway.
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As was discussed before, they dont really have a name. They’ve been called and labled hippogriffs in the past. The only time I’ve seen a name was in that equestria prevails post.
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I would have said to wait a bit for more input versus just one person, especially as I was asleep and didn’t get to see all this. :L
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They are an assistant, and one of them at that. Granted I don’t know what the others are thinking, but I feel like waiting for more than just one site member’s input would have been best.
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If they had just given input that would have been different, I’d agree, but instead I got a go ahead which is different. I usually assume that when I hear from one of you guys, thats the law. I know things get backchannel discussed, I’ve talked with blissey before.

Usually when someone with yours or their flares says do this, or dont do this, us users are supposed to listen.
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Well again, I don’t know what other staff are/were thinking, and they may have all collectively said that cheezedoodle is correct.
I just know that I would have liked a bit more time to figure out what this was about and for before a decision was made.
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So you’d nuke someone if an officer gave you the go ahead, instead of a several generals holding the nuclear keys?
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I mean generally you follow the orders of your commanding officer with the understanding that their orders come from higher up.
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I mean you’re not actually equating nuclear warfare with a general tag change on an imageboard, are you? :p
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